The 2008 Republican Ticket?

smoothmoniker · 01-02-2005, 07:28 PM

SteveDallas · 01-02-2005, 08:18 PM

I wouldn't put it past them to run Jeb in 2008. But I find it absolutely incredible that the Bush family would want to ask Colin Powell to carry any more water for them, and that he'd actually agree to do it. Maybe in this case a cigar really is just a cigar.

russotto · 01-03-2005, 09:01 AM

I think it'd be the other way around. After the last four years, I bet it would have to be really satisfying to Powell to have a Bush as his bit...err, boy, err, you know what I mean.

jinx · 01-03-2005, 12:33 PM

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Asked on the Sunday talk shows if he had any plans to seek elective office, Powell responded with a firm and quick, "No."

iamthewalrus109 · 01-03-2005, 02:31 PM

I found Bill Safire assertion on this week's Meet the press, pretty interesting. John McCain and Condi Rice in 2008. As far as Powell or Jeb Bush is concerned, well both are out in my opinion.

Jeb Bush has even more dirty laundry than GW ever did. Jeb is neck deep in Iran-Contra era entanglements as well as 1980's S&L dirt. That's one of the biggest reasons they ran GW, he was the least dirty, if you can belive that. Unlike the Kennedy's the Bush family's standard bearer didn't die in combat, he got chewed up with bad business deals in the backwater, backslapping, drug politics of Florida, no way can they run him. Powell on the other hand is avoiding personal ruin by not stepping into that spotlight, as exhibited in the early 90's when moderate Republicans begged him to run. If John McCain can stay healthy and avoid being dragged into a neo-con co-opt I belive he could serve as the top component of a strong ticket.

My hope is that the neo-con movement is destroyed and/or banished from the Republican party. As exhibited by the realease of Christie Todd Whitman's new book, I'ts my party too, the moderate Republican's aren't going to take this wild adventure in spending and war lying down. Being from NJ, I can't say I'm the biggest fan, but....maybe she can help galvanize a movement away from these neo-con freaks. I'd rather Barry Goldwater was leading the party, it's turned into a real nightmare, and john and jane Q citizen are left holding the bill for outlandish, grandiose schemes of democritization to save the precious sands of the holy land for rich re-born philanthripists and secular american jews who would hate to see the animals in Palestine defoul the land of milk and honey.

It's all but for a few. My dream is that McCain appears to tend to neo-con interests and then deep sixes the mfers. I'ts about time McCain acts like TR and stands up to greedy global capitalists and eccentrentic billonaires with Wilsonian nightmares.

-Walrus

Undertoad · 01-03-2005, 02:43 PM

Good thoughts Walrus. McCain/Rice depends entirely on Rice's performance as Secy of State. She doesn't appear to have the temperament to be VP at the present time. Seems nervous, doesn't have a very natural delivery. Keeps talking about what she wants to do once she's out of government. As a voter I don't want to be "sold" the "perfect ticket", I want the VP choice to be a carefully considered thing and not result in something like Dan Quayle.

garnet · 01-03-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

She doesn't appear to have the temperament to be VP at the present time. Seems nervous, doesn't have a very natural delivery.

Sounds a bit like the fellow occupying the White House right now, and he's won two elections. Hmmmm.

I'm no Condi Rice fan, that's for sure, but I still think the fact that she's a woman would hold back the ticket. I don't think the Average Joe would vote in a female VP yet.

smoothmoniker · 01-03-2005, 04:08 PM

I think a black women with conservative credentials would sweep the election. If the republicans pull even 5% of the african american vote away from the Dems, they sweep every state. In fact, I think the republican party is the only place a minority could come from to win the office.

SteveDallas · 01-03-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by iamthewalrus109

the moderate Republican's aren't going to take this wild adventure in spending and war lying down.

They've done an excellent job of being prone so far.

smoothmoniker, I won't argue with the principle of what you say... but the application of it in Rice? Do you really think she's electable after the last 4 years? Even a lot of Republicans don't seem to be impressed. I guess a lot depends on what she does for the next 4 years

lookout123 · 01-03-2005, 06:00 PM

i would probably vote for rice as prez, but not VP. that is just asking for someone to pop the president to shoe in the first black/female president. if she is on the ticket, her name should appear first.

richlevy · 01-03-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

I think a black women with conservative credentials would sweep the election. If the republicans pull even 5% of the african american vote away from the Dems, they sweep every state. In fact, I think the republican party is the only place a minority could come from to win the office.

But how much of their core would they lose among the "I'm not really a racist" Southern conservatives?

smoothmoniker · 01-03-2005, 07:14 PM

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But how much of their core would they lose among the "I'm not really a racist" Southern conservatives?

None.

1) I think you seriously overestimate the racism of the southern conservatives.

And B) Who else are they going to vote for? The gay-lovin' Dems? doubtful. That's like saying that Kerry lost the environment vote for not taking a stronger line against big oil. They may not have been happy with him, but they sure as hell voted for him.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-03-2005, 10:08 PM

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Jeb Bush has even more dirty laundry than GW ever did. Jeb is neck deep in Iran-Contra era entanglements as well as 1980's S&L dirt. That's one of the biggest reasons they ran GW, he was the least dirty, if you can belive that. Unlike the Kennedy's the Bush family's standard bearer didn't die in combat, he got chewed up with bad business deals in the backwater, backslapping, drug politics of Florida, no way can they run him.

Do you really think that would slow Rove down? Jeb's out there getting International exposure as we speak.

garnet · 01-04-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

None.

1) I think you seriously overestimate the racism of the southern conservatives.

I don't think it's overstated at all. I live in the south (I'm not a native) and have spent a bit of time in rural North Carolina for weekend getaways. I am still appalled by the open (and seemingly accepted) racism here. Somebody makes a blatantly racist comment and nobody blinks an eye. There are bars that have "black only" nights and whites don't go near the place on those nights. No, it's not posted on the signs, it's just known and accepted. Segregation and racism is alive and well in lots of places in the south--and more common than you think.

lookout123 · 01-04-2005, 10:02 AM

do they have "white only" nights where blacks aren't allowed? it doesn't seem like that would be allowed for to long without a spotlight being directed at it.

01-02-2005, 07:28 PM	#1
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	The 2008 Republican Ticket? Powell and Jeb off to South Asia __________________ to live and die in LA

01-03-2005, 02:31 PM	#5
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	McCain / Rice 2008 I found Bill Safire assertion on this week's Meet the press, pretty interesting. John McCain and Condi Rice in 2008. As far as Powell or Jeb Bush is concerned, well both are out in my opinion. Jeb Bush has even more dirty laundry than GW ever did. Jeb is neck deep in Iran-Contra era entanglements as well as 1980's S&L dirt. That's one of the biggest reasons they ran GW, he was the least dirty, if you can belive that. Unlike the Kennedy's the Bush family's standard bearer didn't die in combat, he got chewed up with bad business deals in the backwater, backslapping, drug politics of Florida, no way can they run him. Powell on the other hand is avoiding personal ruin by not stepping into that spotlight, as exhibited in the early 90's when moderate Republicans begged him to run. If John McCain can stay healthy and avoid being dragged into a neo-con co-opt I belive he could serve as the top component of a strong ticket. My hope is that the neo-con movement is destroyed and/or banished from the Republican party. As exhibited by the realease of Christie Todd Whitman's new book, I'ts my party too, the moderate Republican's aren't going to take this wild adventure in spending and war lying down. Being from NJ, I can't say I'm the biggest fan, but....maybe she can help galvanize a movement away from these neo-con freaks. I'd rather Barry Goldwater was leading the party, it's turned into a real nightmare, and john and jane Q citizen are left holding the bill for outlandish, grandiose schemes of democritization to save the precious sands of the holy land for rich re-born philanthripists and secular american jews who would hate to see the animals in Palestine defoul the land of milk and honey. It's all but for a few. My dream is that McCain appears to tend to neo-con interests and then deep sixes the mfers. I'ts about time McCain acts like TR and stands up to greedy global capitalists and eccentrentic billonaires with Wilsonian nightmares. -Walrus

01-03-2005, 04:08 PM	#8
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	I think a black women with conservative credentials would sweep the election. If the republicans pull even 5% of the african american vote away from the Dems, they sweep every state. In fact, I think the republican party is the only place a minority could come from to win the office. __________________ to live and die in LA

01-03-2005, 06:00 PM	#10
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i would probably vote for rice as prez, but not VP. that is just asking for someone to pop the president to shoe in the first black/female president. if she is on the ticket, her name should appear first. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-04-2005, 10:02 AM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	do they have "white only" nights where blacks aren't allowed? it doesn't seem like that would be allowed for to long without a spotlight being directed at it. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-02-2005, 08:18 PM	#2
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	I wouldn't put it past them to run Jeb in 2008. But I find it absolutely incredible that the Bush family would want to ask Colin Powell to carry any more water for them, and that he'd actually agree to do it. Maybe in this case a cigar really is just a cigar.

01-03-2005, 09:01 AM	#3
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	I think it'd be the other way around. After the last four years, I bet it would have to be really satisfying to Powell to have a Bush as his bit...err, boy, err, you know what I mean.

01-03-2005, 02:43 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Good thoughts Walrus. McCain/Rice depends entirely on Rice's performance as Secy of State. She doesn't appear to have the temperament to be VP at the present time. Seems nervous, doesn't have a very natural delivery. Keeps talking about what she wants to do once she's out of government. As a voter I don't want to be "sold" the "perfect ticket", I want the VP choice to be a carefully considered thing and not result in something like Dan Quayle.

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