Know who the enemy is

Undertoad · 02-05-2005, 08:36 AM

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/200...esistance.html

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I strongly believe that terrorists are cowards but the cowardice you’re going to see in this story is just exceptional.

The suicide attack that was performed on an election center in one of Baghdad's districts (Baghdad Al-Jadeedah) last Sunday was performed using a kidnapped "Down Syndrome" patient.

Eye witnesses said (and I'm quoting one of my colleagues; a dentist who lives there) "the poor victim was so scared when ordered to walk to the searching point and began to walk back to the terrorists. In response the criminals pressed the button and blew up the poor victim almost half way between their position and the voting center's entrance".

I couldn't believe the news until I met another guy from that neighborhood who knows the family of the victim. The guy was reported missing 5 days prior to elections' day and the family were distributing posters that specified his descriptions and asking anyone who finds him to contact them.

When a relative of mine (who has a mental handicap due to an Rh conflict at birth) told me a month ago that a group of men in a car tried to kidnap him as he was standing in front of the institution he periodically visits to get medicine and support waiting for his brother; I thought that he was imagining the whole story.

He said that they tried to force him into the car telling him not to be afraid and that they're from the "mujahideen and not going to hurt him". My relative, despite his handicap was moved by his survival instinct and managed to run away.

After I heard the other story, I began to connect between the two stories and to consider my cousin's story as a true one that uncovered a new miserable war technique that can come only from the sickest minds.

What a huge difference there is between those who kidnap and use the mentally handicapped to perform their murders in cold blood and between the brave Iraqis who sacrificed their lives to protect their brethren. one story that is famous now in Iraq is about one brave Iraqi (A'adel Nasir) who saw a suspicious looking guy walking around a polling center in (Al- Hurriyah) district and soon the brave man realized that the suspicious guy was trying to commit a suicide attack; he ran towards him, wrestled him and knocked him down causing the bomb carried by the terrorist to explode, sacrificing his own life and saving the lives of the people standing in line at the gate of the voting center. It turned out later that the terrorist carried a Sudanese ID.

Troubleshooter · 02-05-2005, 09:27 AM

If this is true, and I'm not saying that it isn't, then I'm not terribly surprised. Repulsed, yes, concerned, yeah, but not surprised. This is what you get with zealotry. Anyone who is suprised isn't paying attention.

wolf · 02-05-2005, 12:55 PM

No, this is beyond zealotry. This is inhuman.

Zealots are do-it-yourselfers.

Troubleshooter · 02-05-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

No, this is beyond zealotry. This is inhuman.

Zealots are do-it-yourselfers.

I'll agree that this may not be zealotry, but I've always hated the use of the word inhuman in cases like this. The word superhuman comes to mind. Only a human could push the bounds of an idea so far.

Beestie · 02-05-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Only a human could push the bounds of an idea so far.

True. But only a human can forsake his humanity.

Troubleshooter · 02-05-2005, 10:30 PM

I've sort of come to the conclusion that the essential spark that makes a human a person is so vital that when you give it up you descend past the point of being an animal. It's as if a person is incomplete without the human psyche to go with the human machine.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-05-2005, 11:11 PM

I guess inhuman would have to be defined as behavior outside the boundaries that people will accept from a person in a fit of rage. Simply because there is nothing you can do to someone that hasn’t been done to someone, sometime, somewhere.

I think any group that figures people are an expendable resource is inhuman. Hmmm...would that include every army?

Troubleshooter · 02-06-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I think any group that figures people are an expendable resource is inhuman. Hmmm...would that include every army?

I don't think so, I think that there is a big difference between balancing the loss of the lives of your men vs the other sides losses as opposed to simply causing as much loss of life as possible because it's get you a seat in heaven.

cowhead · 02-07-2005, 01:57 AM

and uh 40 some virgins.. no thanks. 40 strippers perhaps!

cowhead · 02-07-2005, 02:01 AM

oops I got here late.. uh religion is the optiate of the masses and all that..

no the thing that saddens me the most is when people use faith to control others, it doesn't seem 'fair' to do that, using (in most cases) an inborn belief system to bilk people.. that's not wwjd! heh.. jesus is rolling in his cave.. oh! wait. reborn.. hell then he's spinning in his bed.. or cloud.. whatever

02-05-2005, 09:27 AM	#2
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	If this is true, and I'm not saying that it isn't, then I'm not terribly surprised. Repulsed, yes, concerned, yeah, but not surprised. This is what you get with zealotry. Anyone who is suprised isn't paying attention. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-05-2005, 12:55 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	No, this is beyond zealotry. This is inhuman. Zealots are do-it-yourselfers. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-05-2005, 10:30 PM	#6
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I've sort of come to the conclusion that the essential spark that makes a human a person is so vital that when you give it up you descend past the point of being an animal. It's as if a person is incomplete without the human psyche to go with the human machine. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-05-2005, 11:11 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I guess inhuman would have to be defined as behavior outside the boundaries that people will accept from a person in a fit of rage. Simply because there is nothing you can do to someone that hasn’t been done to someone, sometime, somewhere. I think any group that figures people are an expendable resource is inhuman. Hmmm...would that include every army? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-07-2005, 01:57 AM	#9
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	and uh 40 some virgins.. no thanks. 40 strippers perhaps! __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

02-07-2005, 02:01 AM	#10
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	oops I got here late.. uh religion is the optiate of the masses and all that.. no the thing that saddens me the most is when people use faith to control others, it doesn't seem 'fair' to do that, using (in most cases) an inborn belief system to bilk people.. that's not wwjd! heh.. jesus is rolling in his cave.. oh! wait. reborn.. hell then he's spinning in his bed.. or cloud.. whatever __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

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