Something Disturbing about No Child Left Behind...

Troubleshooter · 04-27-2005, 09:46 AM

...if it's true.

http://www.alternet.org/wiretap/21879/

"There is a provision that is buried in the No Child Left Behind Act. If you attend a public high school, your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military unless you opt out. 'Opt out' means that you need to turn in a form, signed by a guardian or a parent, stating that you do not want the military to have your private information. It is basically the exact opposite of the age-old school permission slip, where if you wanted to go on a school field trip or if you wanted the school to give out your private information, you had to turn in a form signed by your parent saying that it was OK. Instead, the school is going to give away your private information to the military, specifically for recruitment targeting, unless you hand in a form telling them not to do so.

Of course, 99 percent of the population really knows nothing about this provision in the No Child Left Behind Act. Most public schools haven't bothered to tell their students and they're simply giving their students' information out. When we heard about that, obviously, we were dumbfounded. It is just another example of the arrogance of this Bush administration. And the arrogance of the people who drafted this ridiculous piece of legislation that is supposedly going to be something that is good for children's education. This is the kind of stuff that the young people in this country are made disillusioned by, I believe. It is one of things that make me feel disillusioned. We felt like we needed to make kids aware of this, especially because they are our main audience. They are the people who we usually connect to with our music."

...more...

Clodfobble · 04-27-2005, 10:21 AM

If by "private information" they mean gender, name, and address, I assure you most high schools have been giving this information out about graduating seniors for years, both to the military and other private organizations. Hospitals give out the information of people who recently had babies so they can be targeted with formula and diaper ads. Local governments give out the information of people who have just filed new business names so they can be targeted by small-business-loan people. Your name and address are really not "private information" anymore.

Now, if on the other hand, they're giving out your grades, and which extracurricular activities you participated in, and how many times you had to serve in detention, that's a little weird. Maybe even "disturbing," I dunno.

Beestie · 04-27-2005, 10:28 AM

I've pretty much decided that one of the things I going to give my children when they graduate from college is a new identity.

jaguar · 04-27-2005, 10:34 AM

I think I'm more worried about giving out my email than my address these days, If they want to post me things I'll just throw it away, or, if they kindly include a return envelope you simply place the material from one in the other and post both back.

wolf · 04-27-2005, 10:40 AM

On that return envelope note ... has anyone else noticed that some of the more aggressive credit card companies are now "coding" their free return envelopes ... presumably so they can prosecute people for mailing them things other than their application in said envelope?

I've noticed Captial One doing this, and I think Providian ... anyone else catch this?

jaguar · 04-27-2005, 10:42 AM

prosecute for what exactly? if they tried to prosecute me for that I'd invoice them for my time picking up their crap out of my mailbox and putting it in the bin.

Happy Monkey · 04-27-2005, 10:51 AM

It depends on what the "things other than the application" are...

wolf · 04-27-2005, 11:06 AM

I'll check the next batch before I put them in the shredder and see if it mentions it.

russotto · 04-27-2005, 03:49 PM

If they were coding them for that reason, they'd let people know about it. More likely they're coding them to make them easier to sort out at their end (before opening the envelope).

If you feel like annoying them with no risk, just send back the envelope empty. No need to seal it, and it still costs them a few cents.

OnyxCougar · 04-28-2005, 11:38 AM

or take a black marker and blacken out the coding, effectively making them not machine processable anymore, taking more time and resources to hand sort their own snailspam

OnyxCougar · 04-28-2005, 11:39 AM

By the way....

Justin Sane and Pat Thetic?

pfbbt!!!

Perry Winkle · 04-28-2005, 11:52 AM

You're required to register for Selective Service at 18(all 18-25 yr. old males in the U.S.) so I would assume that the military already has this information for the majority of people they'd want to give the 'intelligence test' to.

I'd think that with Selective Service and the national census they would have more than enough information.

Troubleshooter · 04-28-2005, 11:57 AM

I'm curious as to what information the SS gets compares to what the schools are required to reveal.

Be Less Bored · 05-13-2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grant

You're required to register for Selective Service at 18.

exactly.. six of one...

I suppose the only people "protected" by opt out are those under 18. But then those who tend to finish highschool early tend not to attend public schools

Happy Monkey · 05-13-2005, 08:23 AM

I turned 18 in college, so SS registration wouldn't have helped any high school recruiters. (and I did go to public schools)

04-27-2005, 09:46 AM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Something Disturbing about No Child Left Behind... ...if it's true. http://www.alternet.org/wiretap/21879/ "There is a provision that is buried in the No Child Left Behind Act. If you attend a public high school, your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military unless you opt out. 'Opt out' means that you need to turn in a form, signed by a guardian or a parent, stating that you do not want the military to have your private information. It is basically the exact opposite of the age-old school permission slip, where if you wanted to go on a school field trip or if you wanted the school to give out your private information, you had to turn in a form signed by your parent saying that it was OK. Instead, the school is going to give away your private information to the military, specifically for recruitment targeting, unless you hand in a form telling them not to do so. Of course, 99 percent of the population really knows nothing about this provision in the No Child Left Behind Act. Most public schools haven't bothered to tell their students and they're simply giving their students' information out. When we heard about that, obviously, we were dumbfounded. It is just another example of the arrogance of this Bush administration. And the arrogance of the people who drafted this ridiculous piece of legislation that is supposedly going to be something that is good for children's education. This is the kind of stuff that the young people in this country are made disillusioned by, I believe. It is one of things that make me feel disillusioned. We felt like we needed to make kids aware of this, especially because they are our main audience. They are the people who we usually connect to with our music." ...more... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-27-2005, 10:28 AM	#3
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	I've pretty much decided that one of the things I going to give my children when they graduate from college is a new identity. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

04-27-2005, 10:34 AM	#4
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I think I'm more worried about giving out my email than my address these days, If they want to post me things I'll just throw it away, or, if they kindly include a return envelope you simply place the material from one in the other and post both back. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-27-2005, 10:40 AM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	On that return envelope note ... has anyone else noticed that some of the more aggressive credit card companies are now "coding" their free return envelopes ... presumably so they can prosecute people for mailing them things other than their application in said envelope? I've noticed Captial One doing this, and I think Providian ... anyone else catch this? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-27-2005, 10:42 AM	#6
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	prosecute for what exactly? if they tried to prosecute me for that I'd invoice them for my time picking up their crap out of my mailbox and putting it in the bin. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-27-2005, 10:21 AM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	If by "private information" they mean gender, name, and address, I assure you most high schools have been giving this information out about graduating seniors for years, both to the military and other private organizations. Hospitals give out the information of people who recently had babies so they can be targeted with formula and diaper ads. Local governments give out the information of people who have just filed new business names so they can be targeted by small-business-loan people. Your name and address are really not "private information" anymore. Now, if on the other hand, they're giving out your grades, and which extracurricular activities you participated in, and how many times you had to serve in detention, that's a little weird. Maybe even "disturbing," I dunno.

04-27-2005, 10:51 AM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It depends on what the "things other than the application" are... __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-27-2005, 11:06 AM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'll check the next batch before I put them in the shredder and see if it mentions it. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-27-2005, 03:49 PM	#9
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	If they were coding them for that reason, they'd let people know about it. More likely they're coding them to make them easier to sort out at their end (before opening the envelope). If you feel like annoying them with no risk, just send back the envelope empty. No need to seal it, and it still costs them a few cents.

04-28-2005, 11:38 AM	#10
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	or take a black marker and blacken out the coding, effectively making them not machine processable anymore, taking more time and resources to hand sort their own snailspam __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

04-28-2005, 11:39 AM	#11
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	By the way.... Justin Sane and Pat Thetic? pfbbt!!! __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

04-28-2005, 11:52 AM	#12
Perry Winkle Esnohplad Semaj Ton Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 2,259	You're required to register for Selective Service at 18(all 18-25 yr. old males in the U.S.) so I would assume that the military already has this information for the majority of people they'd want to give the 'intelligence test' to. I'd think that with Selective Service and the national census they would have more than enough information.

04-28-2005, 11:57 AM	#13
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I'm curious as to what information the SS gets compares to what the schools are required to reveal. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

05-13-2005, 08:23 AM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I turned 18 in college, so SS registration wouldn't have helped any high school recruiters. (and I did go to public schools) __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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