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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Really. How many of the 20. A majority? More than 7?
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Skimming back through, I count six pro-thimerosal studies that the book presents the methodological problems with, as well as three anti-thimerosal. I also count at least 12 MMR studies discussed, both for and against. It's harder to identify those just skimming through, because they're separated by the biological problems caused by the measles virus itself, and the studies regarding widespread use of vaccines, so some are referenced twice.
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Originally Posted by Undertoad
No offense, but it's precisely because I don't have a kid in the game that I can be brutally objective in a way that you cannot. I could admit both that some of what Jinx said had a basis... and that telephone surveys taken by minimum wage slaves calling a bunch of people in Oregon, don't produce as reliable studies as scientists writing peer-reviewed articles do.
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What, you think when the CDC does a study they get the executives hunkered down for an all-nighter on the phone banks? The phone survey I linked to was performed by a professional survey company, and the study designers were very specific in using the exact same methods that the CDC uses for every step of the way, so the final numbers could be compared to the national incidence rates that the CDC reports.
You can't be brutally objective in a way I cannot unless you're looking at the same data I'm looking at. PM me your address, I'll send you a copy of the book. Or get it from your library; that's where I got my first copy, because I used to roll my eyes at people just like me, and didn't want to give some quack any of my money. But I did want to know about several other things he talks about that are unrelated to vaccines--which, for what it's worth, my kid is living proof of his credibility in that department. Read the book, and let us all know what your conclusions are.
In the end, it won't matter a bit whether I convince you, or anyone else on this particular forum, because the problem is rapidly becoming a crisis.
1 in 90 boys is now autistic. The rate of new cases is growing at 10% a year; i.e. it's accelerating. People like me and jinx don't matter, but every time a doctor's kid gets autism, every time a lawmaker's kid gets autism, shit starts getting done. Did you know, incidentally, that the guy who wrote the book I've linked, the doctor who is successfully treating my son--he used to be an ER surgeon? Then his child was diagnosed with autism, and his wife started researching all this crazy nonsense on the internet. Being a doctor, he set out to disprove her with sound medical science, and ended up finding more information than he was prepared for, and ultimately abandoning his ER career to treat autistic children instead. We've just got to hit critical mass, we just need one prominent lawmaker to have a child diagnosed with autism, and then everything will change.