Its interesting to me that some people are so hung up on spelling, grammar, and dialectic jargon that a stunning example of crystal clear thinking like this sails right over their heads while the rest of us just put the mouse down and slide the keyboard back knowing there is nothing else to add.

Are you inferring that you've used your gun to protect yourself or your stuff?

Ok, so you agree with him. I'll alert the media.:right:

10-4 on da zip and beestie

Some folks will argue with a damn stump.

Don't you understand that if your neighbor would do this, he doesn't share the rights that supposedly were floating around waiting for you to be born? Rights are a societal convention. That's reality and truth, not mysticism and mumbo-jumbo, like your theory.

Why not tune out (or condemn) the people who offer no substance to a debate, just pop in to insult a debater?

Society doesn't give rights, it restricts them.

If you were the only person in North America you have the right to do anything you want... anything. You could shit in the punch bowl if you wanted.

BUT, if one (or more) people move in, you now have a society which limits your rights to do anything you want because you have other people to consider. And they you, which limits their right to do anything they want.

Society restricts rights.

yes Spex , I have had to use a weapon to defend my self ( against a Neibors dog ) , myself and my wife have fire arms , we know how to use them affectivly , and will use them if nessary. One of the reasons we moved here is that this area is sooo much nicer than where than where we both came from ( Memphis TN ) .
You nay have heard of White flight , we flew , not just from the city , or the area , we left the whole damn state !!!

It would be impossible in this universe but you can take away gravity. Gravity is a physical acceleration, it has physical properties, and you can take it away. You will never be able to reach absolute zero in this universe but it is possible hypothetically. You can not hypothetically have someone born without natural rights. If you are born into a fascist nation, your rights are taken away from you when you are born; you were never born without them.

This is pointless. There is no way to prove or disprove this.

Back that up. I am interested in seeing how it is a fact.

Rights existing is an opinion because they are not physical. There is no way to scientifically find natural rights just as there is no way to scientifically find a soul.

I am seriously not trying to call you out on this but that is not how evolution works. There are two kinds of evolution: microevolution, a change in of an allele in a population, and macroevolution, the separation of two species. One generation will never experience macroevolution or microevolution but only a single mutation. There was never a first human just as there is never a time when someone becomes an adult. It is a long slow gradual process where you can never tell when a species does evolve.

Do you believe in intelligent design. Evolution is random so the chances of life actually evolving into humans are one in a near infinite number. We just got that one time where we did evolve into humans

I really don't believe the world is that simple. Here is a real life situation with my roommate and my hallway. He wants to go to bed at 9:00 at night. The rest of the hallway wants to have fun and be loud all night. There is a conflict of interests. It is my roommate's right to get sleep but it is my hallway's right to have fun and be loud. To be able to live peacefully together, these two groups will have to compromise. My roommate will have to put up with the noise until 11:00 and then my hallway will have to be quiet. Both groups have to give up their rights to function within a community. If my roommate didn't live in a community, he would be able to sleep whenever he wants without distractions. If my hallway didn't live in a community, they would be able to be as loud as they want for as long as they want.

So you agree that people have to compromise when they live in a community?

So where is this list of rights, privileges, and desires?

Love is caused by chemicals in the brain. If you take away the chemicals you take away the love.

I think we agree but just are using different words.

If I live in a society that has a social norm that says you can not drink and drive.

I can physically drink and drive even when I live in this society. We both agree on this.

I am saying that once we have broken that norm, we have distanced ourselves from that society which will bring consequences on us that will usually inflict on our rights (going to jail, being fined, ostracized by the rest of the society).

Uk had 54 gun related deaths last year. gun control does work, its just that America is paranois as fuck, just because you have an old piece of paper that says you have the right to bear arms doesnt mean you should.

The UK is not the US. Different cultures, different ideas. People in the US don't trust police to do everything for them, including protect them. UK culture emphasizes government protection for almost everything, including a ban pointy objects. :rolleyes:

Suggesting the laws of one country would have the same effects (both positive and negative) on the other isn't really valid.

Sounds more like no responsibility and a free schedule, not rights.

Rights are agreed-upon behaviors.

Spexx, think about it this way.

If you found a small, isolated culture in the jungle where it was the societal norm to sacrifice two dozen children each year in a very long, painful ritual, would you consider that wrong? Do those children have a "right" to life that supersedes their society's agreed-upon behaviors?

You're asking me how I feel about those rights. Sure, I feel that it's wrong. But if rights tangible, objective "things" that we have when we are born, wouldn't the people in the tribe feel the same way that I do? The fact that they don't feel this way supports the concept that rights are not objective or universal, they are societal conventions. Sorry, I disagree with you.