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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 592572)

So when the world mimics The Stand, which side will you be on? I want to be on the side that Gary Sinise is on, 'cause he was hawt in that movie!

Yes!! I have loved him ever since....I often wonder why he never made it as big as some of the other guys...

The Washington Post today endorsed the swine flu vaccine. For whatever that's worth.

Is there a second page I'm not seeing? I don't see an endorsement to take the vaccine, but it also seems to end rather abruptly so I figure I must be missing something.

According to the news tonight, the hundreds of college kids that have gotten it (H1N1 not vaccine), have gotten over it in 2 or 3 days. Much faster than normal flu, and without intestinal distress either.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 593265)

Is there a second page I'm not seeing? I don't see an endorsement to take the vaccine, but it also seems to end rather abruptly so I figure I must be missing something.

That's a good question. I read the paper edition yesterday, and it came across as an endorsement to me. So I looked for an electronic version I could link to here. Now I'm at work and re-reading the electronic version, I don't see an outright endorsement either. Either I read it wrong, or there was a headline or something in the paper edition that made me think they were endorsing it.

If I misread it, and I probably did, it was probably the quoted expert saying "The benefit of the vaccine far outweighs the risks." that came across to me as the paper's endorsement.

Flu drugs inappropriate for healthy adults

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The flu drugs Tamiflu and Relenza may not be worthwhile to treat seasonal influenza in healthy adults, British researchers reported on Friday. "Recommending the use of antiviral drugs for the treatment of people presenting with symptoms is unlikely to be the most appropriate course of action," wrote Jane Burch of the University of York and colleagues.

The drugs worked a little better in people who have a high risk of complications, such as patients with diabetes or asthma, with Relenza cutting sickness by almost a day and Tamiflu by three-quarters of a day, on average.

I am not sure what to make of this report, if it is true. Usually these things are leaked for a purpose. So I am trying to figure out what that purpose is and who would benefit from the leak.

Swine flu 'could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...osts-un-report

Shhhh. I think I just heard a piece of the sky falling.

Eh. I don't think I could go that far. It was more of an interest to me that there was some sort of moral blackmail going on.

That article isn't even discrete. But, the death rate is much higher in South American countries.

http://www.flucount.org/

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Do NOT Let Your Child Get Flu Vaccine -- 9 Reasons Why

Posted by: Dr. Mercola October 06 2009

This year it is more important that you protect your children and loved ones from the flu vaccines than influenza itself. This article on Lew Rockwell discusses how:

1. The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly.

2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?

3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?

4. This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. The vaccines that have been tested are not the same vaccines your children will be given.

5. Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.
6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated.

7. Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain.
8. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu.

9. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.

Anyone else gotten an email like this?

Do you have a cite that shows anything she says to be factually incorrect, Merc?

It is the broad generalizations which are possibly based in fact but don't really make a cogent argument against the specific H1N1 vaccine, but they are the basis of the repeated arguments against vaccines of any kind.

So, yes, the statements are factual. Got it.

You want something specific that makes the H1N1 shot more dangerous than the others? Looks to me like #2 and #4 do that, but it's faulty logic even if they didn't. Are you going to tell me that there's nothing unhealthy about smoking Camel cigarettes, since I can't prove to you that Camels are significantly worse for you than Pall Malls?