You're saying the procedure is "killing a baby", and that people only use other terms to make it sound less bad. I'm saying no, some people really do see it differently. Some people don't think it's a baby, they think its a fetus, and their opinion isn't motivated by the need to make it sound less bad to anyone else.

You're right, some people may see it as merely a "bit of tissue".

But the procedure itself doesn't change. It doesn't matter what you call the life inside that no longer exists after the abortion is performed.

IMO, many (obviously not all) people DO try to couch it in terms to make themselves feel better.

You keep prefacing what appear to be statements of fact with "it's my opinion," but as soon as I pointed out something, referring to it as your opinion, and not a fact, you were quick to say that no, it was actually a fact, and not your opinon.

In case you forgot:

You: "Yes, I killed my unborn child" than to say "Yes, I terminated a parasitic relationship." Both mean the same thing.
Me: They don't mean the same thing to everyone.
You: Yes, they do mean the same thing.

This doesn't seem to be you saying that it is your opinion that they mean the same thing. It appears that you are implying that they do, factually, mean the same thing.

Where as you couch it in term to make yourself feel worse? It's more ok to have an abortion if you beat yourself up a lot afterwards? I don't get it.

Well it does if you don't consider it a life to start with....
I mean I've talked to friends about this, they saw it, very simply as an accident, not really that much different to an STD, it was a medical problem that had to be delt with, end of story. Not a life, just a bunch of cells. Doesn't mean they don't want to have kids later in life however.

i'm a guy so i should just learn my lesson and stay out of this, but i'm also a cellarite and that requires me to stick my nose in. er, something to that effect.

i think what OC is getting at is that what bothers her is when people use euphamisms to minimalize the importance of their decision.

i understand that because i feel the same way when listening to military members talk about the experiences they've had in "eliminating enemy combatants". that one busts my chaps. when we pull the trigger, we end lives. we kill people. we destroy families. if you can't do your job without having to depersonalize it with euphamisms, you shouldn't be a trigger puller.

from my perspective, it is ending a life. a woman has a legal right to do that, but euphamisms bug me.

Thanks, Lookout. That is mostly what I meant. And 6 is right. I did do that. Corrected.

There's a heck of a lot less debate about whether pumping someone full of lead is killing them than (at the bottom end) whether using something like RU486 is murder. You shoot a living, breathing person, they die, it's fairly straightforward. Is 16 cells a life? 100? 1000?

Similarly, some people see a pile of plywood and nails and call it a pile of plywood and nails, but OC calls it a house.

being an ass and i know it

it's going to degenerate from here anyway, you might as well throw in the petrol can while you're at it.

I like that!

Tsk tsk UT. Leave the bad analogies to me.

The pro abortion crowd doesn't think it's a house until the final coat of paint has dried and a poofy haired realtor has hammered a sold sign in the yard. Up till then, it's a uninhabitable collection of building materials - just burn it down.

Not only a bad analogy but a straw man to boot.

Or maybe, it's a house but not a home?

No, that's just how radical pro-lifers like to portray anyone who is in favor of legalized abortion. Yup, we're all evil and our goal in life is to kill every baby we can get our hands on. Hide the kids, everyone! Hurry! :eyebrow: