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2. This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time?

I thought the reason why annual flu shots are offered is because the seasonal flu virus evolves so quickly that last year's immunity won't help this year?

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3. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?

This is worded horribly or is complete bullshit. Just because mercury is an adjuvalnt doesn't mean it is the one being used.

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9. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.

I do strongly agree with this though. A healthy diet is probably one of the best ways to avoid getting sick.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 599646)

So, yes, the statements are factual. Got it.

No actually, you don't "got it".

This is false:

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Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless.

Fear mongering:

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Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead?

Opinion, not based in fact:

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Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America.

Misleading:

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Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.

Incomplete data:

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Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain.

False:

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Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu.

Highly controversial:

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No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.

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Are you going to tell me that there's nothing unhealthy about smoking Camel cigarettes, since I can't prove to you that Camels are significantly worse for you than Pall Malls?

No.

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

This is worded horribly or is complete bullshit. Just because mercury is an adjuvalnt doesn't mean it is the one being used.

The seasonal flu shot this year contains thimerosal (mercury,) as it almost always does. The pandemic shots are about half thimerosal and half squalene, depending on the source (that is, half the shots are one and half are the other, not a mixture of the two in the same shot.)

Is FluMist for swine or seasonal flu?

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Originally Posted by jinx (Post 599669)

Is FluMist for swine or seasonal flu?

They have both. But the only H1N1 vaccine out is in the mist form which should not be given to prego women.

What do you mean they have both? There is a name brand seasonal vaccine called Flumist, as well as an h1n1 vaccine with the same name? Or the seasonal FluMist contains h1n1? Same question for Fluzone.

If you choose to be vaccinated - pay attention to which one you are getting. Even if it's free at work or whatever.

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Afluria® is indicated for active immunization of persons age 18 and older against influenza disease caused by influenza virus subtypes A and type B present in the vaccine. The indication is based on the immune response elicited by Afluria®; no controlled clinical studies have demonstrated a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with Afluria®.

FLULAVAL is indicated for active immunization of adults (18 years of age and older) against influenza disease caused by influenza virus subtypes A and type B contained in the vaccine. This indication is based on immune response elicited by FLULAVAL, and there have been no controlled trials demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FLULAVAL. FLULAVAL is not indicated for use in children.

FLUARIX is indicated for active immunization of adults (18 years of age and older) against influenza disease caused by influenza virus types A and B contained in the vaccine. This indication is based on immune response elicited by FLUARIX, and there have been no controlled trials demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FLUARIX. FLUARIX IS NOT INDICATED FOR USE IN CHILDREN.

Influenza Virus Vaccine, Fluvirin vaccine, Types A and B (Surface Antigen) is a sterile parenteral for intramuscular use only. It is a purified sub-unit vaccine. Fluvirin vaccine is prepared from the extraembryonic fluid of embryonated chicken eggs inoculated with a specific type of influenza virus suspension containing neomycin and polymyxin. Multidose vial, 5-mL. Contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative (25 mcg mercury
per 0.5-mL dose). Thimerosal is added as a preservative.

Characteristics of Fluzone vaccine
* Fluzone vaccine contains three inactivated (killed) influenza viruses: type A (H1N1), type A (H3N2), and type B1,2
* Fluzone vaccine is a split virus vaccine; this type of vaccine is generally associated with fewer adverse reactions in children1,2
* Fluzone vaccine viruses are grown in chicken eggs and the final product contains small amounts of egg protein; therefore, it should not be given to anyone with hypersensivity to eggs or egg products1,2
* Fluzone vaccine is available in both pediatric (0.25mL per dose) and adult (0.5mL per dose) formulations1,2
* Fluzone vaccine is available with no thimerosal as a preservative (prefilled syringe) and with thimerosal as a preservative (multi-dose vial)1,2
* All presentations of Fluzone vaccine are latex free1,2

FluMist® is a vaccine indicated for active immunization of individuals 2 - 49 years of age against influenza disease caused by influenza virus subtypes A and type B contained in the vaccine.
Each 0.2 mL dose contains 106.5-7.5 FFU (fluorescent focus units) of live attenuated influenza
virus reassortants of each of the three strains for the 2009-2010 season: A/South Dakota/6/2007
(H1N1) (an A/Brisbane/59/2007-like), A/Uruguay/716/2007 (H3N2) (an A/Brisbane/10/2007-like), and
B/Brisbane/60/2008. (3)
During the 2004-2005 flu season, a large study was done comparing FluMist to the flu shot. This study included over 4,000 children 2 years to 5 years of age. In this study, the group of children who received FluMist had fewer cases of flu than the group who received the flu shot. However, since flu strains change from year to year, past study results do not guarantee future flu season results.

In Adults, Shots are Best - NYT article

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2009 H1N1 Vaccine
Every flu season has the potential to cause a lot of illness, doctor’s visits, hospitalizations and deaths. CDC is concerned that the new H1N1 flu virus could result in a particularly severe 2009-2010 flu season. Vaccines are the best tool we have to prevent influenza. CDC hopes that people will start to go out and get vaccinated against seasonal influenza as soon as vaccines become available at their doctor’s offices and in their communities. The seasonal flu vaccine is unlikely to provide protection against 2009 H1N1 influenza. However a 2009 H1N1 vaccine is currently in production and may be ready for the public in the fall. The 2009 H1N1 vaccine is not intended to replace the seasonal flu vaccine – it is intended to be used along-side seasonal flu vaccine.

CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a panel made up of medical and public health experts, met July 29, 2009, to make recommendations on who should receive the new H1N1 vaccine when it becomes available. While some issues are still unknown, such as how severe the flu season, the ACIP considered several factors, including current disease patterns, populations most at-risk for severe illness based on current trends in illness, hospitalizations and deaths, how much vaccine is expected to be available, and the timing of vaccine availability.

The groups recommended to receive the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine include:

Pregnant women because they are at higher risk of complications and can potentially provide protection to infants who cannot be vaccinated;
Household contacts and caregivers for children younger than 6 months of age because younger infants are at higher risk of influenza-related complications and cannot be vaccinated. Vaccination of those in close contact with infants younger than 6 months old might help protect infants by “cocooning” them from the virus;
Healthcare and emergency medical services personnel because infections among healthcare workers have been reported and this can be a potential source of infection for vulnerable patients. Also, increased absenteeism in this population could reduce healthcare system capacity;
All people from 6 months through 24 years of age
Children from 6 months through 18 years of age because cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in children who are in close contact with each other in school and day care settings, which increases the likelihood of disease spread, and
Young adults 19 through 24 years of age because many cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in these healthy young adults and they often live, work, and study in close proximity, and they are a frequently mobile population; and,
Persons aged 25 through 64 years who have health conditions associated with higher risk of medical complications from influenza.
No shortage of 2009 H1N1 vaccine is expected

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm

Why does the CDC say babies under 6 months cannot get the flu shot, Merc?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 599670)

They have both. But the only H1N1 vaccine out is in the mist form which should not be given to prego women.

What's the name of it?
And not just preggos

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FluMist must not be given to: people with history of hypersensitivity to eggs, egg proteins, gentamicin, gelatin, or arginine; people with life-threatening reactions to previous influenza vaccinations; and children and adolescents receiving aspirin or aspirin-containing therapy.
The following people either may not be able to get FluMist or may be able to get it only in certain situations: children less than 24 months of age; people with asthma or active wheezing, or children less than 5 years of age with recurrent wheezing; people with a history of Guillain-Barré syndrome; people with a weakened immune system; people with long-term medical conditions including heart disease, kidney disease, and metabolic diseases, such as diabetes; and pregnant women.

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Originally Posted by jinx (Post 599688)

What's the name of it?

I can't find it.

This was in our local paper today:

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Area health departments receive H1N1 vaccine
Healthy 2- to 4-year-olds given priority for nasal spray vaccine
Posted: October 7, 2009 - 12:15amAdvertisement
By Dana Clark Felty
Toddlers are most likely to spread colds and viruses and suffer worst from the flu, public health officials say.

That's why 2- to 4-year-olds will be the first to receive the area's first shipment of H1N1 vaccine.

"We know that 2- to 4-year-olds are a group that is experiencing a high rate of hospitalization from H1N1, and we know they're very effective at spreading germs," said Dr. Diane Weems, chief medical officer for the Coastal Health District.

The District's eight-county region will receive 3,200 doses this week, about 6 percent of the initial batch of 54,800 doses of vaccine received by the state.

Healthy children visiting public health clinics with their parents in Bryan, Camden, Chatham, Effingham, Glynn, McIntosh, Liberty and Long counties will be offered H1N1 vaccine in the form of nasal spray.

Late this week or next week, some doses will be distributed to private and nonprofit clinics that have expressed an interest in ordering vaccine for their patients, Weems said.

"The hope is that as parents take their children to their pediatricians office, they may be able to access the vaccine or talk to their pediatrician about the vaccine," she said.

More vaccine is expected in coming weeks, as nasal spray and injections.

Public health officials say the spray contains live flu virus, but cannot cause the flu. Side effects include low-grade fever, runny nose, nasal congestion and cough.

Spray vaccine takes less time than shots to produce, which is why it was the first to become available. Public clinics will not charge for the vaccine itself but may charge an administrative fee that can be billed to Medicaid, Medicare and some private insurance companies.

The spray vaccine requires two doses, about a month apart, for children younger than 10.

Local officials expect more shipments to arrive in time for patients to receive their second doses.

Facts about H1N1 vaccine
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend getting vaccinated as soon as vaccine is available. Area health departments now have H1N1 flu vaccine in the form of nasal spray for healthy children 2 to 4 years old.
-- The H1N1 vaccine does not prevent seasonal flu.
-- The nasal spray does not contain thimerosal or other preservatives some people believe are linked to autism.
-- The vaccine requires two doses - about a month apart - for children younger than 10.
-- Officials say the spray contains live flu virus, but cannot cause the flu.
-- Side effects include low-grade fever, runny nose, nasal congestion and cough.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

http://savannahnow.com/news/2009-10-...e-h1n1-vaccine

While the CDC claims that "Most flu cases are H1N1", even though

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In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases.

CBS does their own research state by state, and finds otherwise.

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If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all.

It’s unknown what patients who tested negative for flu were actually afflicted with since the illness was not otherwise determined. Health experts say it’s assumed the patients had some sort of cold or upper respiratory infection that is just not influenza.

With most cases diagnosed solely on symptoms and risk factors, the H1N1 flu epidemic may seem worse than it is.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age5404580.gif

And now Hussein 'Bama declares we have a state of emergency.

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Originally Posted by jinx (Post 603021)

While the CDC claims that "Most flu cases are H1N1", even though

Funny. I have heard nothing but the opposit. Most cases are and have always been the routine seasonal flu.

My best friend and her hubby (who live in the suite below us and we spend a lot of time with) Just went through a week of the flu. It was first diagnosed as a chest infection, then progressed to a full out vomit fest with a nasty high fever. They took blood and did confirm H1N1. They isolated themselves, and even the three of us living upstairs took two days "quarantine/movie watching" We would not have gone to that drastic of a measure except we had accidentally switched wine glasses twice on Wed night. And her and my hubby shared a smoke, instead of smoking two at the time. Add to that I had a sore throat and slight cough, hubby had a cough and the chills... we did not want to get anyone sick. The health department here is telling us that we are contagious 24 hours BEFORE first symptoms, and up to 48 hours After the fever has broke. We all work in a hotel/banquet/beer store (same building) and did not want to be blamed for giving some 400 quests a a wedding H1N1 because we were sick. Problem is, I doubt everyone working there will be as cautious. So, so far H1N1 has hit 40% of our household... lets hope that is all.