Yeah. When will the government start legislating food, for people who are addicted to food and weigh 5000 pounds...and cost society in much the same ways as alcohol addiction in terms of being a productive member of our society or being a drain on resources and not contributing.

I would rather a person get home from work and relax by smoking a hoo-haa than lay around all day eating potato chips, buckets of chicken, and McDons by the truckload.

So, where does it end? When do we put shame on those with food addictions the way we put shame on smokers or drinkers? It's not nice to make fun of fat people. It's hilarious to make fun of smokers. :cool:

Hold that thought, Shawnee. The military now considers school lunches to be a matter for national security.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100420/...lunches_threat

Ha! Yeah, we need 'em healthy so they can go get shot. Well, if anyone can influence the country, it's the military and the fear they inject into people whenever anything is a question of "national security."

:worried:

Yes, as you're such a raging libertarian I can see why this would wind you up. It's just the state's job to feed, clothe, house, medicate, and educate you - otherwise they need to butt the hell out of your life, man!
You sound like a teenager.

Wait a gawdam minute. Teh gubmint should be feeding and clothing and housing me?

THAT's what the fuck I've been doing wrong all this time. Those people always seem to be sitting pretty: no worries about gas costs or car payments or rent or the rising cost of groceries.

*runs to quit job and apply for gubmint assistance and to eat until I qualify for fatass pay*

:lol:

It's funny because it's fucking true.

disclaimer: not about any of you, just my disgruntled and disgusted opinion from someone who's worked their ass off their whole lives and never seems to get out from under it.

Now, smoke 'em if you got 'em. Cause, fuck it. :joint:

don't forget vacationing jinx

Hell yeah. If there's one thing the military knows how to do, it's get things done. Maybe not in the most efficient or elegant way, but it gets done. If it takes the military to teach parents that french fries are not a goddamn vegetable, then so be it.

:lol: @ Clod.

I think it was Terrence McKenna's book, "Food of the Gods" where he makes the argument that the only drugs that are sanctioned by society, are what he calls "industrial drugs." That is, drugs that make you a good industrial worker.
Caffeine to get you going in the morning and keep you going all day,Nicotine to keep your mind sharp, Then booze to take the edge off the caffeine and help you forget what a miserable shitty job you are enslaved to, sleeping pills to help you sleep so you are ready to get up and go again and even regular speed is tolerated as diet pills or to help you stay awake. The penalties for speed are lighter than for narcotics.

He posits that narcotics and psychedlics are not tolerated because they do not enhance your value as an industrial worker. Psychedelics especially since they encourage questioning of the status quo.

Oh, for God's sake, let's not question anything...

question *these*

They miss you.

Ok. I see we've stepped away from pleasant and into downright insulting.


My point still stands: a country that favours small government that has no responsibility to ensure health care for all, and considers such a thing an abuse of of its role at the same time has some of the most illiberal drugs laws (not in all states I know) in the western world. I see that as conflicting.

SO basically

Welfare State = Good

Personal Responsiblity = Bad.

Correct?

No. That's not what I believe in.

Welfare state = necessary
Personal responsibility = also necessary.

I don't see thse as mutually exclusive.

I have a personal responsibility and I also share in a societal responsibility.

I don't want you to think this a total dig on you, more so what the attitude is (not that I need to tell you this). But somewhere there is a grey area. For some that is the width of a street, for others the width of the Channel. In that area lays both personal responsibility and Government responsibility. IMHO, in this country we have fostered and developed generations of people dependent on public assistance. We are seeing a resurgence with the latest roles of unemployment. People have just given up. Obama will save them. It is a false notion.

i agree, there is definately a grey area. There's a point at which assistance ceases to be paliative and begins to form the central foundation of someone's life. At that point it is clear something has gone badly wrong.

Where i suspect we differ is in our response to that grey area.

We? Speak for yourself.
I'm trying to have a conversation about whether it makes sense to legalize opiates and you start shouting about the evils of my government, as if I'm in charge. Get over yourself and try to follow the plot.

fair enough. Ignore anything I say at the moment. I'm really not myself.



i just had a stand up row with someone on the BF forum about girls and gaming. *shrugs* I am a heartbeat away from rage or tears at any given moment. I tried to explain that last night, but I probably didn;t do it very well :P

Does BF = Breast Feeding? Because that would explain everything...

lol
no BF = Big Finish

The nursing mom defense. I'm still hearing it nearly two years after weaning...;)

I'm glad to hear that you've been weaned, squirell. I bet you've got sharp teeth.

I would like to start a thread. The site says I'm enabled I know I'm looking in the wrong area,.Need some help .....the thread will be about....

Bruce, go back to main page, pick a forum (Home Base, Nothingland, etc.) and then click the "New Thread" button towards the top left of the page.

Thanks Clodfobble, I will try to make the thread interesting, also funny.

It doesn't get much better than that around here. Well, boobs are good too.

One has nothing to do with the other. The welfare crowd isn't worried about becoming unemployed, they already are. The millions of people who've been throw out of work are depending on unemployment insurance, as we always have. That doesn't mean they are not looking for work. Yes, they are looking to our President, because they know they probably won't find work until the economy picks up. That's what they hear from employers and the media, and our President seems to be the only one that's trying to do anything about it.

Bravo.

Yeah, our societal responsibility (as Dana so eloquently put it) is nothing new. It's not as if Obama came into office and everyone voluntarily quit working and went on unemployment, amid shouts of "YAY, we can loll about now! Woo hooo! I LOVES some struggles."

Oh, well...my brother told me about the episode. Would've thought the bear suit would make it OK.

Nooooooooooooo, it's not a THREAT, per se.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/...k-muslims.html

Dust storm in Arizona closes Arizona highway.

Meanwhile, millions of illegal immigrants flooded the state, and illegals currently in the state walked about freely. After all, it's hard to see skin color in a dust storm. :neutral:

How is that any different than any other day in AZ. :yelsick:

Haven't you heard? There's a new law. They can gun you down from suspicion that you are in the country illegally.

Don't play "huh?" Please. We both know better.

It's gotten to the point where I'm actually embarrassed to live in AZ.
First the OK to carry unlicensed concealed weapons, now the Mexican hunt and soon the birther law that will require any presidential candidate to present their birth certificate to AZ before they can go on the ballot.
Not to mention the fact that the choice for our next senate race comes down to McCain or Hayworth. It's like choosing which TYPE of cancer you would prefer.

republican cancer. :sweat:

BULLSHIT!
Apparently not.

Hey, you know what? I've given up on reasonable discourse with you, I did so a long time ago.

So really, I'm not in the mood for your divisive crap.

You came into my headlights thread, just as I knew you would, I predicted the fucking shit though I guess I didn't post it, just to say "WHAT???" to tw for no reason. Or, to put it more plainly, you wouldn't have been like that if it had been someone else who had said something you didn't understand.

Like you didn't know my comment was tongue-in-cheek. Go fuck with someone else, I am NOT in the mood for your shit.

Please. I can't believe I'm even gonna lower myself & respond to this.
Your boy made yet another bullshit claim that was basically crap - I as well as other people called him on it, one even said it was "bullshit" Did you get into it with the other posters? Don't bother to answer - that was a rhetorical question.

I know you got shit going on, but really...

ETA - and no, I didn't realize your post in THIS THREAD (which was very similar to what you said in two other threads) was tongue-in-cheek.

I thought it was open season on ranch owners in Arizona.

Classic and Shaw...Shake hands and walk away. :) K?

Or you both will be on report. :)

:)

Toilet Paper Bandit Sought

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...427101tp1.html

oh shit: ( from the link in merc's post )

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what an ass!

It doesn't mention that THAT was showing.

LOL! What a way to traumatize your neighbor.....Sounds like it turned into quite the side-show circus.... :)

They took away a toddler's cheese sandwich.:rolleyes:
Fucking unbelievable.

Well duh, needs mustard, clearly.

So fucking wrong where do we start?

Meh. It's a private organization, with food rules that were known by the child's mother beforehand. Tons of preschools would confiscate a peanut butter sandwich these days. Or there are other private preschools that don't allow commercial characters on the premises (like Mickey Mouse on t-shirts.) And there was that big brouhaha awhile back, about a Catholic school that kicked out a student because her mother was a stripper and refused to take a different job. Private organizations get to make their own rules, and if you don't like it, you can pick a different one.

I guess actually reading the link makes for a more informed opinion. I'll have to agree with you in that case.

I'm frequently telling the malcontents at the coop: Don't like the way things run? Join the board or start your own coop.

(But the irony of it all --England making rules about food?)

Where do you get private organization from? If so, why is the Wigan council involved?
I still think they could have handled the situation better than snatching a 2 year olds sandwich away from him, take it up with his mother for christ's sake.

:sweat:

I am dying to know what they replaced the confiscated sandwich with...One of those things I guess I will just never know.....

I am so glad cheese sandwiches are of highest priority for the Wigan Council.....:facepalm: This has to be stopped. It's an outrage!!

Fucking untrue...?

Went back to the article to find the details that had given me that impression (I know I had thought that the "Wigan Council" was the preschool's board, not an elected council, but that definitely could have been wrong,) but the article's been taken down now.

cheese sandwich is the punishment lunch in school here if you haven't paid your lunch bill....

the article linked to is sensationalist BS though, written for the rise, not necessarily in the interest of reporting the truth.

Besides, given the location and it's proximity to Liverpool, they nursery staff are probably just trying to cover up that some scouser stole the kids sandwich while they were on a fag break.

:p:

Don't forget, this would be school cafeteria "bread" and "cheese," not some fragrant emmantaler melted delicately atop a toasted baguette. School food is the same processed stuff they feed to prisoners.

mmmmmm... subsidized....

Strange, I got a 404 from my link, in IE7. But when I copied the link in Firefox, it connected ok. Then I tried in IE7 again, and it connected. The reason I tried that was, I had saved a link to the Cardboard Dad in another Brit paper, and when I tried to post last night the same thing happened.:rollanim:

Local, not weird, sorry.... didn't want to start a whole thread though.

Jimmy Johns burned down.