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IMO, most objective people will withhold judgment until they facts....on costs....on whether it is all a lie... or how millions of those currently uninsured and those with employer-based insurance are likely to benefit...which wont happen until the law begins to be administered and people can see and feel the effect.
Those unwilling to wait have an agenda. |
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I have said repeatedly that, IMO,it is a good (not perfect) bill, addresses nearly all the problems and wont cost most Americans more. Just my opinion unlike repeatedly saying "told you so...I am right, and those admin suck-ups are wrong" Nothing more to say to you on the subject...for now. |
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"If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan."
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What a bizarre complaint. The evidence that the legislation won't let you keep your plan is that if your insurance or your employer make your plan worse for you, they don't get to pretend it's still the old, grandfathered plan?
Is the fact that "increas[ing] the percentage of costs patients must pay out of pocket", "significantly decreas[ing] the percentage that employers contribute to premiums", or "significantly increas[ing] deductibles or co-payments" was "standard practice in the industry" part of what people like about their health care plan? |
Just facts.
Obama: You can keep the plan you have. Reality: Actually no you can't. |
It's not "just facts".
Do you think that "Obama: You can keep the plan you have." meant that he would force insurers and employers to never change their plans? Old plans are grandfathered in. You can keep them to the extent that you could ever keep your plan, before or after this legislation - based on the contract between your employer and insurer. This legislation did not change that. But it did discourage the continuing worsening of the new contracts, by saying that if you want to increase employees' costs, you have to give up your grandfathering status. So some employees may be able to keep the plan they like longer than they would have been able to before. |
HM, the problem is that the people who are insured are going to eat the majority of the costs associated with Obamacare. And there was never any intent to protect the currently insured in that bill. It has only been after the fact that the lawmakers are now jumping through hoops to try to modify that effect. I am sure it is of no concern for those who have little to no healthcare insurance now. To the rest of us it is a huge concern.
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The change is that now, if they want to make the plan worse for you, they have to lose their grandfathered status. Look at the list of things that end the status:
If my company did that, I would not consider myself to still have the plan I liked. If my company decided not to do these, in order to avoid the new regulations, I would consider myself to have kept the plan longer than I would otherwise have been able to. The insurance companies can no longer follow the plan they like - continually raise prices and decrease benefits without following the new regulations. |
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Additionally if the premiums rise by (what percentage?) is the plan no longer grandfathered. That may or may not be a good thing. I think its situationally dependent. This again is an issue that may or may not be a good thing. If an employer goes to a plan that better suits the needs of the employees from one which doesn't - too bad, OUT. Quote:
So a doctor retires and "the plan" selects a new one to replace him ... OUT. If a plan wants to ADD doctors to INCREASE the options for the insureds .. OUT. Its simply not as cut and dried as you want it to be. Which is why I bolded - Quote:
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