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A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS
35 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW
36 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
37 1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
38 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
39 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
40 IDENTIFICATION.
41 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES
42 BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
43 ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

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An Arizona utility commissioner said he's willing to pull the plug on Los Angeles if the city goes through with a boycott of his state.

In a letter to the city of LA, a member of Arizona's power commission said he would ask Arizona utility companies to cut off the power supply to Los Angeles. LA gets about 25 percent of its power from Arizona.

"That is one commissioner who has that idea -- whether he can do that or not is another idea," said LA Councilman Dennis Zine. "They are the ones who have to make the move, not us."

The commissioner's power grid play is in response to the city's approval of a resolution directing city staff to consider which contracts with Arizona can be terminated.

Whether he can do it or not I dunno, but I like his style. The man has balls for even bringing it up.

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If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.

I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 657232)

Whether he can do it or not I dunno, but I like his style. The man has balls for even bringing it up.

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I would imagine there is a binding intergovernmental agreement between AZ and CA.

So why do you think this guys has more balls than those who want to boycott AZ?

I'd say cutting off someone's power takes more balls than simply refusing to do business with them. Which place would you rather live: the one that just lost some labor/trade contracts and is gonna have to eat ramen for awhile, or the one in pitch blackness, with no A/C in 100+ degree summer heat?

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 657277)

Or it is just political grandstanding.

I dont know the details of the AZ-CA interstate agreement, but most such agreements, particularly for defined services, are in the form of binding contracts.

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Originally Posted by Redux

Or it is just political posturing.

Just like the original boycott threat. I thought it was a well-played response.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 657282)

Just like the original boycott threat. I thought it was a well-played response.

I agree boycotts are political as well.

The difference, IMO, is the boycott has the force of action behind it and voiding a valid intergovernmental contract (if that is the case) does not which would make it an empty threat.

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It is even less than an empty threat....just some dude in AZ (running for reelection to the AZ Commission) blowing hot air.

Given that Southern California Edison, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power and other California utilities have an ownership stake in major power plants in Arizona.

I think it was symbolic and a great response to one state trying to exert its influence over another. What will happen if the AZ bill goes thru and illegals then try to cross somewhere else. I wonder where that would would be? Ohhh thats right CA.

Sounds like the healthcare reform debate

not really - this was 10 pages not a couple thousand.

I see. Not reading a bill is entirely different than not reading a bill. Gotcha.:rolleyes:

You're right - all the D's who voted for a bill they hadn't read and all the R's voting against and criticizing it. I see what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 658092)

Oh. My. Gawd.

It is funny, in a diversionary sorta way.

But it wont deflect the valid criticisms and concerns expressed by many constitutional experts, many local elected officials and many law enforcement officials... as well as civil rights and other grass roots organizations.

Its also funny in a pathetic that they're criticizing something they haven't even read. They've had weeks and its only ten pages.