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TheMercenary 03-23-2011 01:13 PM
Interesting discussion...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ed_in_the.html

TheMercenary 03-25-2011 04:04 PM
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As bombs started falling on Libya Saturday, blogger Glenn Reynolds noticed something striking: "Hey, it's exactly 8 years to the day since Bush started bombing Iraq!" Eight years--which is to say, Barack Obama ordered the bombing of an Arab dictatorship at precisely the same point in his presidency that George W. Bush did.

Of course, there were some differences. The Libya war is new; the Iraq one was an escalation of a conflict that had been under way for 12 years. The U.N. Security Council had authorized action in Libya for the first time two days earlier, vs. 17 times in Iraq. Bush had persuaded a large majority of the public that escalating the war was a good idea; Obama had to act more quickly, without making a sustained case to either the public or Congress.

Also, Bush made his announcement from the Oval Office. His successor spoke at the White House on Friday, but by the time the bombs started falling, he was in--of all places--Brazil, as the Associated Press reports:
continues:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...=james+taranto

TheMercenary 03-25-2011 06:56 PM
SO someone tell me again why the hell we are involved in this goatfuckoperation? Ala Bill Clinton...

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...eda-links.html

xoxoxoBruce 03-28-2011 02:19 AM
Because the Arabs asked us to get rid of Kadafi. As long as he's in power, Libya will never be a proper Islamic country.

TheMercenary 03-28-2011 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 718943)
Because the Arabs asked us to get rid of Kadafi. As long as he's in power, Libya will never be a proper Islamic country.
Ain't that the damm truth. And they want to have a chance to get some more weapons.

TheMercenary 03-28-2011 12:18 PM
'Yemen is a ticking bomb and if the political system collapses and there's no constructive dialogue there will be a long civil war that will be difficult to end."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers-brink.html

Happy Monkey 03-28-2011 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 717905)
I frequently vote Libertarian also, HM. Do you do the same? Don't recall you having done so and bragged about it...
I have, but you're right that it's not worth bragging about.

Happy Monkey 03-28-2011 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 717905)
The Republicans, by generations-long contrast, at least think wars, if engaged in, should be won. The Dems can't even muster up that -- viz., Mr. Obama, the Waffler-In-Chief.
The last two wars we won were World War II and Bosnia, both under Democrats.

You could probably say GHW Bush won Iraq, if his kid hadn't restarted it. If we "win" Iraq this time around, GW Bush can have the credit, for whatever that's worth. He certainly can't get any credit for "winning" Afghanistan, if that ever happens.

TheMercenary 03-28-2011 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 719221)
The last two wars we won were ..... Bosnia, both under Democrats.
WOW, really we "won" in Bosnia? that was a US victory? How do you figure that?

Happy Monkey 03-28-2011 09:29 PM
We achieved our objective, and it's over.

TheMercenary 03-28-2011 09:34 PM
Really? Ok, until the next multi-million dollar plane becomes a dirt dart. Obama shows he is tool of the UN in this one... 2012 just can't come soon enough. The dude ignored Darfur but makes a case for a Civil War where we have absolutely no dog in the hunt. I hope his ass is burned in the next election.

Fair&Balanced 03-28-2011 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 719235)
Really? Ok, until the next multi-million dollar plane becomes a dirt dart. Obama shows he is tool of the UN in this one... 2012 just can't come soon enough. The dude ignored Darfur but makes a case for a Civil War where we have absolutely no dog in the hunt. I hope his ass is burned in the next election.
In fact, it was Bush who ignored the slaughter in Darfur that began in 2003.

But Reagan did win the war in Grenada with the US invasion, despite having no Congressional approval and near unanimous opposition of the UN for flagrantly violating the sovereignty of an independent nation that, btw, was neither a threat to the US or massacring its own people.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 719223)
WOW, really we "won" in Bosnia? that was a US victory? How do you figure that?
Yep.

The Dayton Accords that Clinton personally strong-armed into acceptance by all parties in the conflict effectively ended the civil war...with NO loss of US lives.

tw 03-30-2011 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 719223)
WOW, really we "won" in Bosnia? that was a US victory? How do you figure that?
Bosnia was so obviously one of America’s greatest victories. Proper application of military and political power, then almost no military was used to completely and decisively end that war. Show me any other war that was won so quickly with so little expense? Bosnia was a perfect example of leaders who understood the purpose of war. To take a conflict back to a negotiation table. A victory so complete that Milosevic even negotiated himself out of office.

If you did not understand that spectacular victory in Bosnia, then the strategic purpose of a military was never learned. Bosnia was a text book perfect example of how military and political power should be used in a team effort.

Asking that question either implies zero knowledge of a military's purpose and history. Or I don't get what must be a joke.

smoothmoniker 03-30-2011 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tw (Post 719545)
Show me any other war that was won so quickly with so little expense?
The Anglo-Zanzibar War. 45 minutes, followed by gin tonics and a lovely game of polo.

Happy Monkey 03-30-2011 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 719235)
Really? Ok, until the next multi-million dollar plane becomes a dirt dart.
What are you talking about?


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