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Flint 03-25-2020 03:33 PM

is 1217 or 3692 bigger?
granted, at different times (and not knowing where in the curve)

but, Trump: "we're doing SEVEN TIMES BETTER than S.Korea"

or 1/3 as good, but whatever, USA is #1 at everything

Undertoad 03-25-2020 03:36 PM

Ask again in ten days!

Flint 03-25-2020 03:36 PM

this tweet is still dumb in ten days

BigV 03-25-2020 03:48 PM

so, using the numbers from your site, the number of tests per million rises to 23. almost five times better, but equally pathetic.

BigV 03-25-2020 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049350)
But, for the same reason, "tests per million" varies according to when measured. Early in the curve, you don't have as many people to actually test.

But as of Mar. 25, the US has tested 1217 per million. If currently graphed like B.I. did, the US would be 3rd.

Early in the curve you don't have as many people to actually test?

What does that mean? We have the same population "early" as we do "later".

The CRUCIAL piece of information you know is missing but haven't put your finger on is that the leadership informing the population about the situation and the importance of testing, "early in the curve", *that is* what was missing.

We had plenty of people, but a deficit of leadership.

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2020 04:18 PM

But telling people that getting tested is important when tests aren't available could be worse.

Undertoad 03-25-2020 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 1049364)
Early in the curve you don't have as many people to actually test?

What does that mean? We have the same population "early" as we do "later".

It means, early in the curve, you don't have as many people who are symptomatic, so you don't test as many people. You only test people who are symptomatic.

Also the test at that time took 3 days to return, so we are looking at time of result, not date of test. First death was Feb 29, do you think we suddenly should have tested 100,000 random people the next day?

Quote:

The CRUCIAL piece of information you know is missing but haven't put your finger on is that the leadership informing the population about the situation and the importance of testing, "early in the curve", *that is* what was missing.
But the people don't need to know about testing. The doctors do. They don't take direction from the President.

Quote:

you know is missing but haven't put your finger on
Attack my argument, not me.

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2020 05:01 PM

We need 329 million rectal thermometers.

BigV 03-25-2020 05:13 PM

The part of your ARGUMENT that is missing in order to make sense ....

Your argument posits that the "lack of people" kept the test numbers low. I contend that the lack of leadership kept (almost) all of the people from being tested because they were being told, "you have, what? fifteen people, and in a couple of days that will be close to zero". That is the lack of leadership I speak of. That is what I'm talking about.

If we'd had more/better leadership, telling us truthful, pertinent, factual information, information he had or should have had (Fucking Burr had it, shared it, acted on it), more people would have been motivated to get tested. But no.


This is what I meant by you/your argument sensed/misidentified. I'm not attacking you.

xoxoxoBruce 03-26-2020 11:27 PM

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The less safe parts of you flight.
From an FAA pdf on Aeronautical decision-making (ADM)

Undertoad 03-27-2020 09:16 AM

Quote:

we will need to wait another week to see if anyone's position has changed during the last few days
Three days' worth of rolling average is in and shows the change. I'm not saying this is good or bad or worthy or unworthy. I am looking to understand the world.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

http://cellar.org/img/rcptrump20200327.jpg

Gravdigr 03-27-2020 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1049375)
We need 329 million rectal thermometers.

No, you need 328,999,999 rectal thermometers, cuz I'm out of here:bolt:

glatt 03-28-2020 07:27 AM

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How long has the Census been open? Two weeks?

In my immediate neighborhood, tract 1013, 45.7% have already filled out thier forms. That's better than the 30.2% nationwide and 20.6% in West Virginia.

You can really drill down into the local response rates using the search features in the link below.

https://2020census.gov/en/response-rates.html

Attachment 70132

Undertoad 03-29-2020 01:07 PM

http://cellar.org/img/silverlininglessdeaths.jpg

Silver lining dep't: if you don't leave your house, you don't get into a car accident, don't have a work accident, don't get shot, are less likely to get the traditional flu, etc. etc.... mortality from OTHER THINGS seems to be way down.

Disclaimer: this is from some guy on Twitter but he claims to get the weekly death numbers from the CDC.

Happy Monkey 03-29-2020 01:36 PM

A point in favor of Solaria.


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