Yes, since Reagan's "there you go again", it's been about the zingers, unfortunately.

Sarge, you appear to feel that Obama and the Democratic party have been "bad" for the military, and Rmoney and the repubicans have been / will be "good" for the military. Why? Have you forgotten the have the repubicans allowed Walter Reed Hospital to decay? Have you read heard that repubicans cut funding for embassy security? What basis do you have to be anti-Obama. Please don't let it be the bayonets remark, which you've misrepresented.

I haven't misrepresented the facts. What concerns me are military cuts with a growing Chinese military and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout Southwest Asia and Africa. Plus, I feel the current administration has not supported Israel.

More & more unclassified reports are being released on Benghazi. I feel like our core belief of "leave no man behind" was spat upon by our leaders. Remember, this was US soil. How would you feel if foreign extremists burned your state capitol and killed the governor while the military/police stood and watched. Throw into this the conflicting reports that the ambassador was sodomized. Benghazi was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just can't get over that drones were circling overhead feeding live video to situation rooms.

Dana - What you are refering to is an expensive program that is an expansion of the COPS (community oriented policing) Universal Hire. A post 9/11 veteran is hired with the Bureau of Justice Assistance and Department of Justice paying his salary for 3 years and the local government paying his salary for the 4th year. It is a very expensive program that we can't afford. Also, COPS has not been funded or severely restricted on several occasions in more than one administration. Yes, this program would benefit me. However, the US can't afford the debt.

I am not pleased with Romney, but I see him as the "lesser of two evils".

this is such massive, idiotic, conspiratorial bullshit, that i would think you'd be far above believing it for a split-second, sarge.
Ambassador Stevens was found in a locked, safehouse-style strongroom in the consulate, having died of smoke inhalation as the building was torched. His attackers never found or confronted him personally. The Libyan civilians who found his body took it immediately to the nearest hospital for medical attention.

This is the part of your post that contains serious and real issues which if you rate them highly in your priorities are valid reasons to support Romney. Please be careful when looking at propaganda pages from angry racists or party hacks painting themselves as ex-military patriots.

I think our Navy is over-built, see China and Iran as over-hyped for the support of the arms industry, think Africa and Asia will have to figure out their own religious nutters while we work on ours, and Obama has got it about right in Israel. So we disagree but I still count you a good decent man and can't wait for Tuesday to be over so everybody can get back to being human.

Ibby - the point of torture is still being reported and has even been brought up in Congress. "Congressman Burton, during a speech on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives on September 14, 2012 dropped a bombshell when he indicated that Ambassador Steven was “tortured” in Libya before his death." Even Snopes says this is undetermined.

I have my beliefs and you have yours. The military is my "hot button."

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Romney's dog got to ride on the top of the car.

All I got is this silly "I bark for Obama" t-shirt

Hey folks This is the cartoon thread. the crying comes after the 6th. Ha Ha

They've been lying to you Sarge.
Read the details.

Bruce - you know those UAS were monitored by someone. We don't have drones flying over an attack with no one watching

Like BusterB said, it is time to get back to the cartoons:

Of course they were, somewhere out in Montana or somewhere, and when they figured out what was happening reported it.
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It wasn't the embassy, they called it an "annex" but in truth it was a house a mile away. It was claimed to be living quarters but it was really a CIA operation center, they chose away from the embassy because they were trying to keep a low profile. Didn't even have a flag. That was a bad decision but we don't know who made it yet.

It was a terrible thing, but the outright bullshit that FOX, the milblogs, and CNN have been spouting, trying to make political hay out of it, is shameful.

Shameful is the word. Lies, and more lies.

I did, but it wasn't necessary for me to. It was packaged to be effective in the absence of comprehension. That is the insulting aspect of the 'zinger' format (irrespective of who is doing it--this and ALL OTHER critiques of the process are NOT subject to one party or one candidate only). The 'zinger' isn't a harmless packaging, inconsequentially chosen, it's a purposeful appeal to the lowest common denominator. In the complete absence of any meaningul throught process relating to the subject matter, the 'zinger' strikes up points in the 'win column' which resides in a substance vacuum.

I hate that it is done this way, and I hate that it is effective.

Think of people you know who have 'gotten ahead' in 'office politics' in this manner. These individuals are well-deserved recipients of intense dislike.

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In the complete absence of any meaningful thought process on the part of the listener, the impact of the zinger will have been made anyhow, even absent any substance. Look at all the stupid fuckers out there who persist in their ignorance, despite actual substance, that President Obama was not born in the United States or that he is a Muslim. For low information voters like this, communication via zinger is reaching your audience where they are. For high information voters, or thoughtful people for whom substance matters, zingers, pre-emptive "our navy is smaller now than in 1916" or retaliatory "we have fewer horses and bayonets too", it ranges from amusing to insulting.

It works because we humans don't always form our decisions based on facts only, but on many factors, much to tw's dismay, were he capable of feeling dismay. :poke: This is true in office politics as much as it is in national politics. Have you never heard of the saying "A ounce of image is worth a pound of performance"? Sad but true.

How do you change this this kind of dialog from effective to ineffective? Make everyone who's listening smarter and more mature so that playground insults like this are pointless. Make everyone who votes smart about the facts of the issues. Make substance feel more substantial and appearance look less attractive. Noble, worthy and Sisyphean. I will work shoulder to shoulder with you in this effort.

I don't know about that. He said "we also have fewer horses and bayonets". You've made that out as though he said "the military no longer uses any bayonets at all". Forgive me if I've misinterpreted.

How much do we need to spend? Is spending as much as we do working?
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Thanks a lot Spexxy. Now I have to scroll over to the right to see the whole screen. :rolleyes:

You misunderstood me. I agreed we had fewer horses, but all the figures I have reported and the reference to the National Defence Act of 1916 show we have more bayonets. Also, this in the emblem I wear on my uniform. Notice the M9 bayonet?

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The kid knows something about something, ya can tell that much...

jailbird!

It seems that you're objecting to "style over substance" so strenuously that you are just objecting to style without respect to substance.

The offensive zingers are the ones whose underlying point is false, but they are cleverly worded in such a way that refuting them is too complicated to explain easily. Or maybe they don't actually say anything at all, but they imply things, and the utterer can then claim they never said the implication.

Obama's "zinger" was just a clever way to make a good point, and he explained that point in long form immediately afterward, rather than letting the zinger stand on its own.

And, of course, it could have been cleverer, if he'd picked something other than bayonets, as quibbling over the bayonet count is just as much a way of glossing over the point as is accepting a zinger wholesale, and there is probably another piece of military hardware whose numbers have dropped in the last hundred years.

OK, now I get it. All of this talk about bayonets is so that Big Sarge can properly accessorize his clothing. After all, nothing says 'sharp dressed man' like, well, something that's actually sharp.:D

Try not to get too stylish Sarge. If Romney wins he might go straight to reinstating "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and too much bling is suspicious.

Holy jpeg compression artifacts, Batman!

*cleans glasses*

Reasons to vote republican.

To be read bottom-to-top because twitter. Swear to god this is really his twitter.
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The man is such a joke.

Wow.

And of course we all know he would have just loved and praised the electoral college if it had ended up the other way.

My favourite line:

Just brilliant.

And this:

That'll be that famed sense of 'entitlement' I keep hearing about then eh?

Heh...exactly.

Trump is a tool. And a knob. Mostly a knob. But with a lot of tool characteristics.

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From a Beyonce tweet last night:

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SCF!

funny as hell!

This is what a spoiled, uber-rich adult's temper tantrum looks like.

I wonder how much money and/or favors he had riding on the outcome of this election, never mind what money he's thrown at it thus far.

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LOL!

Ouch.

It's not just Michelle and Barack, Jill's seen Joe "up close".

Traditional America
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okay, it's a video, but still - joe biden summed up politics in a nutshell nearly twenty years ago for Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego?

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basically

They're all parasitic crooks, trying to watch baseball for FREE. How UNAMERICAN can you GET?!?!!!??!!!!

to a tea party republican

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The fact that Chris Christie is the dad from Dinosaurs totally confirms that he is definitely my favorite republican (not on policy but on entertainment value, that is)

Anytime I catch sight of Christie on TV, I watch.

There's just no telling what he's gonna say, or to whom he will say it.

seriously! he's way cool, even though i disagree with almost all of his policy positions.

But dude, more alcohol IS the solution to drunk driving.

If you're throwing a party, and people get tipsy, they drive home and crash. If they get totally paralytic pissed, they pass out and sleep on the floor. or lawn. and go home safe the next day.

SAFETY THROUGH DRUNKENNESS!

Kill off those who are weakest. Thosw with less willpower will most easily surrender to the devil. Then keep finding new friends. It will increase the quality of your social circles. Facts of life orginally defined by Darwin.

Same also applies to guns. Anyone who gets shot and dies is not desireable. Then anyone you accidentally shoot will not die. No jail time.

Practicing for my new job. Spokeperson for the NRA.

It's like...JBKlyde in the mirror universe.

bwa

Next, it will be at the first "... twinkle in his eye"

At marriage, because decent people don't do the nasty before then, and procreation is the reason you get married.:p: