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I even quoted it for you in my original post. I've been saying this since virtually day 1.
"this is, for the most part, a fight the bill ducked, which is part of the reason that even its most committed defenders don’t think we’ll be paying anything like what they’re paying in other countries anytime soon."

This bill was basically written BY the health insurance lobbyists. There is little to address actual costs. Go back a hundred pages or whatever if you want the long answer.

Four inconvenient truths about the HCRA

1) Some people won’t get to keep the coverage they like.
Obama promised over and over during the health care debate that
“if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”
It turns out that, for a lot of people, between 3-5,000,000 and 15-20,000,000, that isn’t true.

2) Costs aren’t going to go down.
The Obama campaign released a graph that shows health insurance premiums climbing and climbing
way above general inflation.
~~The lie~~ giving families and businesses relief was a big part of Obama’s sales pitch for health care reform.

3) It was just a guess that the law can pay for itself.
The Obama administration insists that the health care law will actually reduce the deficit.
That sounds like a fantasy to many people, since
the law will clearly increase spending through insurance subsidies and an expansion of Medicaid.
And the CBO believes the law will only pay for itself through cuts in Medicare payments and various new taxes,
including fees that health insurers and medical device makers will pay.

4) “The more you know, the more you'll like it”.
When the bill passed, Democrats were convinced that Americans would like the health care reform law
more once they were able to see its benefits. When then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said
Congress had to “pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.”
Except the controversy has never died down, and people don’t like the law any more now than they did then.

CBO data and asst news sites.

Anything in particular you are referring to? Maybe I can find that specific one for you.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 802099)

I'd really like to see numbers and data on that. What sorts of policies those 3-20 million people have that will not be grandfathered in, and why. What percentage of people who identify themselves as being more favorable to it as they learn more - i've heard quite a lot of polls quoted that claim just the opposite of what you claim.

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2) Costs aren’t going to go down.
The Obama campaign released a graph that shows health insurance premiums climbing and climbing
way above general inflation.
~~The lie~~ giving families and businesses relief was a big part of Obama’s sales pitch for health care reform.

Ah, but will costs climb more slowly than they were climbing before, and ensure that coverage will not be denied or removed from policies while prices rise? THAT was the objective.

A) CBO

B) Its in his 17 minute video, but they left out that comparison.

"CBO" isn't numbers and data and why...

and I dont understand what you mean about the video, sorry, rephrase that for me?

Look at the latest CBO data on the HCRA. They revised (shock) the costs.

Its in the campaign video that Obama just released last Thursday. There is no way for me to post it.

Well... How's it working out for ya????? :lol2:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...ate-goes-down/

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 802129)

Look at the latest CBO data on the HCRA. They revised (shock) the costs.

Its in the campaign video that Obama just released last Thursday. There is no way for me to post it.

Oh hell.... really?!?!?:eek:
It's going to COST WAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THEY SAID IT WOULD???!?!!! HOLY CRAP! Who is going to pay for it again?

Hopefully you are. I certainly can't afford it.

As a senior on Medicare I've been waiting for news on the ACO's
that are a significant change initiated within Obamacare.
Here is an article that is beginning to describe the direction of Medicare,
...and where the head goes the tail will follow...

Reuters
Bruce Japsen
4/12/12

New Model Of Health Care Taking Root, Whether Or Not Obamacare Survives

Quote:

No matter what happens to President Obama’s health care law sitting before the Supreme Court,
fee-for-service medicine may still morph into a new model of health care delivery his administration
is pushing that rewards doctors and hospitals for working together to improve quality.

A key part of the Affordable Care Act launched this spring with the first groups of
medical-care providers forming Accountable Care Organizations across the country.
These so-called ACOs began contracting this month with the Medicare program
to be paid for caring for a population of seniors.

If the ACOs can improve quality and reduce the cost of care to the group
of seniors they are caring for, medical providers get to share money saved.
Earlier this week, Jonathan Blum, deputy administrator at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services,
said more than 1 million Medicare beneficiaries are now served by ACOs
and participation from doctors and hospitals is off to a “phenomenal start.”<snip>

Our nation’s traditional fee-for-service delivery system is not sustainable,” Turkal added.
“At Aurora we are exploring ways to redesign health care delivery,
including an accountable care organization. I am convinced that integrated systems like Aurora
are key to creating a successful approach that improves quality and lowers costs
by coordinating care between the hospital, the physician and outpatient services.”

Soon, we will be hearing a lot about Medicaid and Obamacare.
This, in large part, will be referencing the Federal Poverty Level (FPL)
which is dependent on income AND family size.
Usually, a certain percentage of FPL will be identified, such as 133% FPL

Here are 2 tables, one of annual income and one of monthly income
each associated with the size of the family...

Quizzie wizzie on the ACA

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"You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans."

I thought it was ridiculously easy - try it out.

I got 9/10 because I inadvertently skipped one. the one I skipped I would have gotten correct.

good quiz!