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Undertoad 02-13-2006 08:04 AM

A 78 year old guy got shot! Quick, let's mine the comic potential in it so we can prod the administration. It's not like it's something really serious, like the funeral of a civil rights leader, or something.

Happy Monkey 02-13-2006 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
Not good hunting safety...but he *was* actually *hunting*...not primping for cameras.

Well, I'll give you the cameras thing, but it's debatable that what he was doing could be called "hunting".

MaggieL 02-13-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Well, I'll give you the cameras thing, but it's debatable that what he was doing could be called "hunting".

Gee, why not just ask PETA what they think? (And while we're at it let's slam streams that are cruelly and brutally stocked with trout, too.)

I do hope you noticed that the press release you cite doesn't actually refer to "what Cheney was doing when the accident happened", but rather to something back in 2003?

Happy Monkey 02-13-2006 12:10 PM

I didn't say anything about morals. I eat meat. I just wouldn't say that meat packers are hunting cows or that skeet shooters are hunting skeet. And the differentiation between canned hunts and actual hunting is made by hunters (who look down on canned hunts in paticular) more than activists (who dislike hunting in general).

But I will offer a mea culpa on the date. I pulled the trigger too fast on my post, shall we say.

Spexxvet 02-13-2006 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx
I wonder if he said "Go fuck yourself!"?

Or if his plan was merely to "shock and awe" Whittington, with a pre-emptive strike?

Trilby 02-13-2006 12:47 PM

Spexxvet, made me laugh out loud.

(PS-I always want to make your name SEXpet. Isn't that weird?)

Aliantha 02-13-2006 06:21 PM

hahaha Spex. That was a funny one!

footfootfoot 02-13-2006 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
I didn't say anything about morals. I eat meat. I just wouldn't say that meat packers are hunting cows or that skeet shooters are hunting skeet. And the differentiation between canned hunts and actual hunting is made by hunters (who look down on canned hunts in paticular) more than activists (who dislike hunting in general).

But I will offer a mea culpa on the date. I pulled the trigger too fast on my post, shall we say.


ha ha, yes, but when you posted, did you do it with your eyes closed?

I checked the link, despite the date on that story I'd be shocked if this wasn't a stocked hunt. Or mike hunt maybe. sorry.

footfootfoot 02-13-2006 07:51 PM

and another thing: C– You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

BigV 02-13-2006 09:37 PM

Dang! Is the movie as funny as the quotes lead one to believe?

wolf 02-13-2006 09:50 PM

Moreso.

You MUST see this movie.

Actually, how the heck have you missed seeing it? For the last couple of years it has been run for 24 contiguous hours on either TNT or TBS on Christmas Eve.

The beauty of the 24 hour marathon is that no matter when you flip it on, it's always a good part.

BigV 02-13-2006 10:19 PM

Cool, thanks!

On a different note, browsing the Google News (NOW! Out of Beta!) one of the funnier headlines was "Open Season On Cheney". I didn't read that article, but the next two were interesting. How Did Dick Cheney Break the No.1 Rule of Hunting? which contained this excerpt:
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An eyewitness account reported by the Associated Press suggests that Cheney may have, in the heat of the moment, violated the No. 1 rule of hunting by failing to keep track of his hunting buddies at all times.
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Accidents can happen, of course, in a single careless moment. Quail, when you find them and they flush, don’t exactly follow gun-safety rules. They fly up suddenly and may go in any direction. And the first thing that happens to the hunter is the adrenaline rush. That’s why quail hunters wear orange, as Cheney's group reportedly were. And that’s why experts counsel the hunter not to sweep the shotgun around and fire if they don’t know what’s in the line of fire. Knowing what's behind the target is also a rule with which, one can bet, Cheney’s Secret Service detail would have wanted Whittington himself to be intimate.
And then this one, Cheney and shooting victim were hunting illegally, officials say with this quote:
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The other hunters present on Saturday included ranch manager Anne Armstrong; Whittington's wife, Merce; Ambassador Willeford; and her husband, George "Boots" Willeford. Anne Armstrong's two daughters, Katharine Armstrong and Serita Hixon, were there. So was Hixon's husband, Bob.

Whittington shot two birds, which he left to retrieve and put into a truck, Katharine Armstrong said.

As Whittington re-approached the group, he was walking through a low point in the land where they couldn't see him, Ms. Armstrong said.

"The cardinal rule is you stay on line," Katharine Armstrong said.
I am not a hunter. I appeal to the hunters in the audience to educate me. I'm not looking for an indictment of Cheney, he's already done enough for me to make my own decisions. And I understand the responsibility for safety afield is a shared responsibility, not all one and none for the other. But I am looking for some clues here as to how this happened and how / who should have acted differently to avoid it.

BigV 02-13-2006 10:22 PM

I have another thought...

What would be the story if everything else was the same, but Whittington shot Cheney? It could have happened... Would there have been a 24 hour delay in the reportage? Would the reaction to the shooter have been the same? It's an interesting thought exercise.

Oh, and if there are only three to a hunting party, where the hell was the Secret Service?

seakdivers 02-13-2006 11:12 PM

When I first saw the news about this I couldn't help but think "what the hell?".
I shoot in matches, and hunt as well - I always identify my target before pulling the trigger. I'm sure he used to do the same, but it's looking like he's an elderly man that needs to get his drivers license taken away.
Scary.

xoxoxoBruce 02-14-2006 12:40 AM

Why do you feel Cheney should have immediately notified the press?
I don't believe he had any obligation to tell the press at all. I think it's a sad commentary of the state of the press when they expect to be handed stories without any investigating.

I also think that Clinton, when asked about the Ho, should have said it's none of your business. :p


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