Then you're not seizing and holding his house and chattel. :headshake

It's getting more and more complicated...

So Libertarianism is another instance of "whoever has the biggest guns owns everything"?

Does this theory include any capturing and ravishing of maidens?

I think Radar's original point has totally flipped over on its back and died like a cockroach.

No. It's whomever has the biggest guns is the most secure in their honestly aquired property. Libertarians don't support imperialism, foreign military interventionism, or any other initiation of force, especially for political gain or social engineering.

If you've got enough guns, people can't take your land. If they've got more guns than you, chances are they can and there's nothing you can do about it.

Maybe the conversation just took a horrible wrong turn somewhere?

And then it's theirs.

So whoever has the biggest guns owns everything.

So instead of investing in a 401-K, I should be building a stockpile of black market assault rifles?

Not necessarily so. There are lots of people who have less guns than the guy with the most guns, and they could combine their guns together to take down the guy with the most guns. This prevents any one person (or country) from having everything.

Power is constantly shifting.

So what youre saying is...

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...israel has the right to the land, but if the terrorists get powerful enough to take it then tough shit for israel?

That's right. Has it ever been any other way? :question:

Pretty much.... though they'd have to have more guns than Israel and America which isn't likely since the U.S. military budget is larger than the next 20 largest military spenders combined. Israel is the 12th largest military spender.

And this...is...the main part of being...Libertarian...?

I have to say...this really doesn't sound like a new idea...

Actually the root of all libertarianism comes down to a couple of principles.

1. Self ownership - You own yourself and nobody else has any claim on your body or the fruits of your labor. Our property is an extension of ourselves. We have the right to defend ourselves, our rights, and our property with any level of force needed (including deadly force)

2. Personal Responsibility - While you're free to make your own decisions, you are responsible for those decisions and can't expect others to pay for your mistakes.

3. Non-Aggression Principle - Nobody has the right to use force other than in thier own defense, or in the defense of those who hire you as an agent. This means it's never ok to start aggression against someone else, but it's always ok to use aggression in your defense. When it comes to nations, it's never ok to start wars or practice military interventionism. It's not ok to take sides in disputes, to arm other nations, to use our military to defend other nations or to "liberate" oppressed people, etc.