Aw damnit, does that mean I'm not getting my cushy appointment? :lol:

Don't let 'em get you down, Radar. I think it takes big cajones to be part of a grassroots movement (and I think that, by dint of its current rate of influence, that's what Libertarianism still is) and try to make an also-ran into a viable third party.

Keep at it. Someone needs to. Otherwise we're just admitting that the status quo will continue forever. I'd like to at least enjoy my fantasy politics for awhile, since it doesn't really hurt anyone.

Besides, the Libs *do* have influence. Our margin of victory here in the Senatorial race was slightly more than 1%. Toss the 2% that the Libertarian candidate got into that mix, and maybe it swings the other way? You never know.

People are becoming more and more accustomed to voting for third parties and are learning that their vote isn't wasted when they vote for third parties, but it IS wasted when they vote for either of the larger parties.

Serious Libertarian candidates are doing better and better. It's only a matter of time before we start getting elected to congress and the Senate and that will happen during my lifetime.

Right, the standard dialogue on whose vote is "wasted" is so skewed, it's 180 degrees wrong.

It's wasted if you're voting against something else and not for what the candidate you vote for actually stands for.;)

Well done Radar! The two majors are showing us nothing to vote for, only stuff to vote against.

Right, exactly the way Democrats vote against Republicans, and vice versa, in order to keep the "bad guys" out of office. This is perpetuated by the fact that we only have two choices. So, the solution cannot be: to keep voting for the same two choices.

I don't buy that Dems vote against Reps rather than for Dems and vise versa. You also leave out us Inds. :p

Really? You mean the tax-and-spend Liberals aren't going to take our guns away,
and the war-mongering Neo-Cons don't want to replace the Constitution with the Bible?

Did I say That? :crazy:

No, you didn't say that.
And, I didn't say you did.

No, you just inferred I meant that because that the bullshit game you play.:p

No, I didn't infer that's what you meant (exactly the opposite, in fact). I'm sorry you misunderstood my comment.
Would you like me to explain what I meant, or are you content with telling me what I meant, and maybe calling me a few names?

That's what you wrote. :eyebrow:

So, I'll go ahead and explain... You said you don't believe that Ds and Rs vote "against" each other, and I jokingly replied with a list of ways that I think they do. I asked if you disagree with those observations. I'm really, really sorry that you misunderstood what I meant. Truly. Very sorry. Either you can believe me, or you can call me a liar. Your choice.