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BigV 09-30-2007 03:16 PM

bump.

Clodfobble 09-30-2007 04:16 PM

Is there any chance we can get even a hint of context here?

I mean, I suppose in the most generic terms... we're talking about a scenario where husband wants one thing, wife wants another, and it's such a divisive issue that it threatens the marriage? At that point it's not loyalty to the spouse vs. loyalty to self, it's loyalty to self vs. loyalty to the marriage, which the self also has a stake in.

limey 09-30-2007 04:21 PM

Big V, this is clearly an important question for you, but I don't think it can be set out in such vague terms. Please give us some context. Is this related to the time of year (it was an issue for you about a year ago, too)?

BigV 09-30-2007 05:36 PM

yes.

sorry.

I will provide some useful context, quite soon, just now, I can not.

Give me a minute.

xoxoxoBruce 09-30-2007 07:42 PM

Simple. You said I do, or I will, so now you'd better.

Undertoad 09-30-2007 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 286359)
Say, "Yes dear"....then do what you want. That's what my ex always did. :mad:

That's what I did by the end! But I was faced with dealing with a diagnosed obsessive-compulsive control freak, so it was a matter of self-preservation.

BigV 09-30-2007 09:01 PM

context.

the thread's old, I don't remember the original context.

the situation's old, the players are the same, the stakes are far far higher.

I am trying to change my head.

loyalty is not the right word anymore.

I have to change my level of trust, self confidence.. shit I'm afu.

lumberjim 09-30-2007 09:03 PM

maybe you should sit a few plays out.

BigV 09-30-2007 09:17 PM

good idea.

Who will sub for me?

Who will carry the ball forward?

Who will defend my goal?

Your suggestion is an excellent one. I need a second. A substitute. A backup. A friend.

monster 09-30-2007 10:41 PM

Get a counsellor

lookout123 10-01-2007 01:03 AM

BigV, I don't know what to tell you because I don't know what you are going through. You know what I've been through though, so just know that we're here. and there. and, hell, this is the cellar, so we're everywhere.


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