I'm afraid I have to agree with Jay on this one. Aren't there plenty of other threads where people can discuss gun laws?

No, it seems all the other threads have Aussies and Brits ragging on Americans for being gun-happy.

It's not just australians and brits UT. Some of your countrymen feel the same way.

In any case, the point here is that what has happened to these women has been shocking.

I am afraid Jay does not have the right of it. One prostitute with one pistol and one or more well placed bullets -- that ends the threat to their lives, does it not? Armed self defense is as natural a right as unarmed self defense would be, and one that Parliament tyrannously tore away from you, and which you are going to have to wrest back, and permanently, if you desire to live in a free society and not A Clockwork Orange.

A counter-argument possibly being found in a movie quote ...

"If God didn't want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep."

*Loving and healing energy goes out to all whom suffer through this time and who have lost loved ones*

Maybe, but what other group of women will steal off to a secluded place with a stranger, willingly?:confused:

have you been out on a Saturday night recently? a few drinks, a bite to eat, a taxi home ... cheaper than paying a prostitute but no less worthy of a judgemental statement.
there are many, many reasons for women (and men) to turn to prostitution. there's a story behind every woman's decision (not always a choice) to enter into this "profession". the least society could do is everything possible to protect them.

What relevance is that?

We should have gone with the 'safe-zone' idea. It was shelved to avoid adverse publicity. Girls who work that trade are no less deserving of consideration and protection than anybody else. If a mine caves in and kills a bunch of miners, we do not wag our collective finger and say, yes but what other kind of men would steal off underground and put themselves in danger.

News reports here say that the police have a suspect in custody, a grocery store worker who lives on the edge of town.

What's the latest on this? Have they beaten a confession out of him yet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm

hopefully the perpetrator and not a convenient scape goat. its too early to know, and i really hope the media hype is not going to jepardise (sp?) what should be a fair and thorough trial.

mmmm.... One the one hand, it does cast our serial killers in a better light, in that without the ready access to fire-arms, they have to work harder to co-erce/cajole the victims into the life-threatening situation. And then of course there's the method of despatch itself... without fire-arms, one has to be much more inventive. Strike one more for the Brits (and Aussies). I guess that the readily and widespread availablity of guns in the US has, to a large extent, removed the elegance and originality from homicide as it is practised in the USA.

Ali, what Jay was saying is that this thread is fine for discussion of gun issues, but only if you have opinions that Jay agrees with.

sorry, UT, I was gettin' bored....



































(mmmm..... now, if only I had a gun, I could perhaps make you agree with me...)

Don't be silly Jay, you live in England. If you had a gun surely it would have been stolen by now. :P