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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
I think rifles and shotguns should be allowed because I am all in favor of hunting and being able to shoot a rifle. Handguns and automatic weapons on the other hand, scare me. You don't need a handgun to protect your home, if I broke into someone's house I would be a lot more scared of a shotgun than a 9mm pointed at me.
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The first part of this para professes the "theory of the evil gun," that some types of arm are in some way more conducive of, well, brutality than are others. This theory is exploded on closer study: the very characteristics of concealable portability that make the handgun attractive to the felon intent on robbery are the very characteristics that make the handgun the best immediate defense -- because the defender can simply
wear the piece around his daily doings, and thus will have it available to resist the evil attentions of the criminal.
The second part exhibits ignorance of home defense tactics. A long arm is rather bulky and can be levered away from the defender more easily at hand to hand range than a properly held pistol can. Also, consider the blast of a larger long arm cartridge of any description, touched off in the confined space of a room -- it well nigh brings down the plaster, and its disorienting effect works as hard on the defender as on the invader. Not something the defender will want. Handgun cartridges are a little less battering, and that is all to the good. This is not to say long arms don't have their place in home defense, but it is usually a last-ditch defense of the designated panic room/rendezvous chamber, e.g., the kids and any other noncombatants on the floor behind the bed in the master bedroom along with one of the defenders forted up in the same place, firing across the bed if an invader enters (and there's a protocol to ensure the man of the house with the pistol intended to meet the invaders with doesn't get mistaken at first blush for an invader, as is only sensible). Firing from the "panic room," you see, would be a situation where you really do need, beyond all else, to hit as hard as possible, and let the plaster fall where it may.
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I am in favor of a law against concealed weapons not because I don't think people should have them, I just think things will get out of hand because people are stupid.
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In self-defense situations, rather than drunk lowlifes assaulting each other, this doesn't happen, and this is the universal experience of the 38 states in the Union who have liberalized their concealed carry of weapon (CCW) provisions, regulations, and laws. They know something you do not, my friend, and they are staying with liberalized CCW because crime in every such state has plunged. Read John Lott, and Stephen P. Halbrook. Between these two luminaries, you will understand arms far better than you do now.
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For example, if someone robs you with a gun and you have a concealed gun yourself you are tempted to use it. So you pull it out, the natural reaction of the guy robbing you is to shoot you. So instead of losing a few hundred dollars you lose your life. Allowing concealed weapons will also give people confidence to take paths they would not usually take, which gets them into more trouble.
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Only true if they're not any too bright to begin with. The prudent use of arms does not turn a prudent man foolish. If he isn't sworn and paid to do it, he's
still not going to be strolling down those alleys.
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As Wolf said, they guys robbing you with guns don't get them legally, crime will not go down. Most often crime is a last resort for people and they are wiling to take the risk of someone having a gun.
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The science done on this says, no, they aren't willing.
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All it will do is create moments when two scared people have guns and that leads to death, plain and simple.
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Not so plain and not so simple. 98% of all armed self defense situations are not settled by a firefight, but by simply the threat of one; no shot is fired. Of the remaining two percent, fatality is not an inevitable outcome either, though even wounding can admittedly leave its victim permanently maimed. The maimed most often would take surviving over dying, so you don't hear too much complaining on this score by anyone who knows from experience.
It would lead to deaths, perhaps, if everyone who does it knew no more than you do about it, but education and training about how to prevail in this most dangerous situation can be had by civilians, and at less than the one-year cost of insuring your car. Less, in fact, than some people's monthly insurance payment, for the fundamentals. And one can build on the fundamentals at any time.
As for selective fire weapons, these, being military arms, are the ones most suited for ending genocides, which can really only happen to disarmed peoples. The people who like the full-auto weapons are the ones who are truly, effectually, worthily anti-genocide. All others are less so, and merely flapping their gums, which has never stopped a genocide yet. It isn't stopping one now -- though that genocide would stop if Sudanese janjaweed were to start vanishing beyond recall, and Khartoum-government air support with them. In other words, if a genocide is going on, you
must shoot back. Otherwise, you're oven fuel. Did your mama really raise you up to be somebody else's fireplace log?
Do not hope to take refuge in the idea that
I don't see any signs of impending genocide. Genocide invariably starts in concealment, and it sneaks up on its victims. Military-type arms are the best, for reasons of logistics and efficiency, and the only known, individual solution to the genocide problem, and AFAWK they are the final solution. The forces of the State have never once kept a genocide from happening, which is unsurprising when you consider State power is necessary to get a genocide under way. See
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership for more on this. Be advised: these people are the real article when it comes to genocide stopping.