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Griff 04-06-2007 02:59 PM

He is awesome, but he challenges so many assumtions that no interviewer takes him seriously.

Undertoad 04-06-2007 03:08 PM

Dr. Paul is not a man of the Constitution, and not a man of Principle.

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Unfortunately, H.R. 760 takes a different approach, one that is not only constitutionally flawed, but flawed in principle, as well. Though I will vote [for it],...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul98.html

Griff 04-06-2007 03:14 PM

Nobody's perfect. This wouldn't be my one issue to throw him under the bus over, but I know there are folks who vote this almost exclusively and get a lot of other nonsense in the bargain.

Undertoad 04-06-2007 03:24 PM

Ah. Thought I had you pegged as a Constitutionalist!

Griff 04-06-2007 03:50 PM

Smart ass!:)

How about a pragmatic anarchist? Working toward that goal in a peaceful law abiding manner? Or maybe I'm a goobermint minimalist... or a nut jobberist. I forget lately. Constitutionalist to the extent that it shrinks gov... so yes he is hosing me on this issue.

xoxoxoBruce 04-06-2007 10:55 PM

What's his problem? Everyone knows women and children are personal property and none of the gubmints business.














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Griff 06-07-2007 07:54 AM



Nice interview of Paul on Tucker's show. Good interaction on the national id at the end.

Happy Monkey 06-12-2007 01:23 PM

More on Paul

xoxoxoBruce 06-12-2007 08:48 PM

Orcinus damns Paul as racist, for not being politically correct and making everyone responsible for their actions.

piercehawkeye45 06-12-2007 09:29 PM

http://www.chron.com/content/chronic...5/23/paul.html

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Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action
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Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal
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we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers
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We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such
How is this not racism?

xoxoxoBruce 06-12-2007 09:42 PM

Except for the obvious exageration in the second quote, what's racist about the truth?

Clodfobble 06-12-2007 10:34 PM

In the fourth quote, race is completely unrelated to the point he (Ron Paul) is trying to make. You could substitute "white" and it would be just as true.

piercehawkeye45 06-13-2007 05:13 PM

The first poll says blacks are stupid. First, he is basing this on the "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" argument, which is a horrible argument, and then says that 95% of blacks are stupid, which is completely untrue. So 95% of black people don’t agree with him, how does that make them stupid?

In the third quote he is saying that we should be afraid of all black men because of something that the minority of black men do. That is stupid and untrue. You can’t stereotype a whole population for something that 10-20% of a population does.

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In the fourth quote, race is completely unrelated to the point he (Ron Paul) is trying to make. You could substitute "white" and it would be just as true.
He is saying that only 13 year old black children should be labeled as adults, not anyone from any other race. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.

xoxoxoBruce 06-13-2007 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 354697)
The first poll says blacks are stupid. First, he is basing this on the "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" argument, which is a horrible argument, and then says that 95% of blacks are stupid, which is completely untrue. So 95% of black people don’t agree with him, how does that make them stupid?

He didn't say anyone was stupid. You're the only one using that word. You're blasting him for what you think he said, which is not what he actually said.
He said, "sensible political opinions" and in reality, I doubt you'd find 5% that would support elimination of welfare and affirmative action.
He's probably remarked about how other demographics feel about his position, but of course this article has only cherry picked quotes to build their case.
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In the third quote he is saying that we should be afraid of all black men because of something that the minority of black men do. That is stupid and untrue. You can’t stereotype a whole population for something that 10-20% of a population does.
The Justice Department's crime stats say you're wrong. I linked to them in the discussion about no black women were raped by white men.
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He is saying that only 13 year old black children should be labeled as adults, not anyone from any other race. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is.
Once again you're criticizing what he didn't say. He said, "black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs". As Clodfobble pointed out that could also apply to other races and probably the Hispanics in that situation outnumber the Blacks now. Insensitive, not PC, perhaps... but that doesn't make him racist.
I'm betting you have yet to confront one of these little bastards... believe me, they are scary.

But not to worry...
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Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
which knocks him out of contention.

piercehawkeye45 06-13-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 354734)
He didn't say anyone was stupid. You're the only one using that word. You're blasting him for what you think he said, which is not what he actually said.
He said, "sensible political opinions" and in reality, I doubt you'd find 5% that would support elimination of welfare and affirmative action.
He's probably remarked about how other demographics feel about his position, but of course this article has only cherry picked quotes to build their case.

You don't have to say something to imply it. Saying only 5% of blacks have sensible positions is implying that they have insensible positions, which is negative and leads to stupidity. Free market, end of welfare, ect, are not sensible or insensible positions, they are opinions. Many blacks will support welfare, etc because it helps them, not because it is the best for Ron Paul.

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The Justice Department's crime stats say you're wrong. I linked to them in the discussion about no black women were raped by white men.
That only 10-20% has committed violent crimes as rape, murder, etc? And when did this have to do with black women and white men? Ron Paul said we should be scared of black people because they are disproportionably violent compared to whites. You still can't label the black population as a whole because of some criminals. Just like you can't say we should be scared of Muslims because some are committing terrorist attacks or think all whites are greedy because of white-collared crime.

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Once again you're criticizing what he didn't say. He said, "black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs". As Clodfobble pointed out that could also apply to other races and probably the Hispanics in that situation outnumber the Blacks now. Insensitive, not PC, perhaps... but that doesn't make him racist.
Yes, then why just say blacks?

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I'm betting you have yet to confront one of these little bastards... believe me, they are scary.
They seem scarier than whites or Hispanics of the same size, intentions, etc because of the stereotypes about them. And once again, you have to be careful not to label the whole black population of what a minority does or look like.


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Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
But not to worry... which knocks him out of contention.
I would rather have Paul as president then any of the other Republican candidates...


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