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I guess they are on their own side, patiently waiting for the republicans to exit power so that they can implement all their own plans and agendas.

And if they contrive to lose the war -- while trying their damnedest to blame it on the Iraqis -- it redounds to the Republicans' credit.

If they contrive to lose the war there is greater probability that we will have another major terrorist attack on U.S. soil. How about if it's a mushroom cloud over a port city? That too redounds to the Republicans' credit, in effect, by completely wiping out that of the Democrats.

For any interested parties, the Wiki:

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What the French did under the Nazis has no bearing on the current situation in Iraq. Apart from anything else the cultural differences are vast enough to render any such comparison facile.

'evil people' galvanised to fight on one side and 'good people' galvanised to the other.....nothing like the crude simplifications of a Hollywood story to facillitate solutions in one of the most politically and socially complex areas of the globe.


As an interesting aside. Do you take much notice of the place names on the map? Nineveh and Nimrud, Baghdad and Babylon. These names, some of which are older than any of our written histories. Nineveh fell, and one of the ancient world's greatest empires with it, in 612 B.C. Next the Babylonians and the Medes, the Achaemenid Persians and the Macedonians, Romans.....and on across two thousand and more years. The culture of Iraq has some very deep roots.

No Dana, Iraq is exactly like Texas, they will accept our western democracy with open arms.

I also have a question for UG. Which is worse, admitting you have lost or refusing to admit that you have lost?

So you're arguing that the 2 billion dollars a week we're spending on Iraq wouldn't be better spent on port security, especially since we have outsourced the real hunt for Al-Qaeda to the Pakistanis?

You really think in the unlikely event that they did acquire a real nuke, that it would be delivered from Iraq, and not Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia?

You think that the terrorists are all concentrated in Iraq and are incapable or multi-tasking, especially since they probably favor a cell structure?

I'm guessing that your military career wasn't in intelligence. Or maybe, heaven help us, it was.:eek:

Oh dear God what a frightening thought.

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Congress approval ratings will get lower because they swallowed--yet again--concerning warrantless wiretapping. Fitting they passed the law during the dead of might.

Signals intelligence, to be exact, Rich. Sure, we -- the West, DanaC -- suffered defeat upon defeat in the Eighties, eh? Heh heh.

I'm arguing that the place to spend a couple billion a week is over in their backyards -- which has worked for four years and more now. The best defense is not the defense you're calling for, Rich, but a good offense, and what we've got now is far better than a defense.

No one, repeat no one, critical of our offense has a better offense. Such people are jackasses, braying. The Jackass Party is only now, four to six years behind time, growing any sense of national responsibility. This is not yet being paired with foreign-policy competence.

No, the nuke wouldn't be delivered by Iraq. Pakistan would be my pick. Iran second -- more motivation, less current capability. And I wouldn't assign a high likelihood to either one, as they'd have too much to lose in return. You can imagine what we'd do if the Rose of Sauron were to bloom over one of our cities.

Bush: there will be no pullout from Iraq while I'm president

The fact remains we can't win this war. Only the Iraqis can win or lose their country, to the radicals that want it.
Recent events indicate the man in the street is disillusioned with the type of regime the radicals will install and severely enforce. But all they are doing is switching support for different foreigners... us. They have to get their shit together, and not stand by, while any foreigners control their country, including us.