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rkzenrage 11-26-2007 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 410324)
sure, why not? no one can force you to read what is sitting in a drawer. if some group wants to raise the money needed and build the infrastructure to donate the texts i have no problem with them sitting in a drawer waiting for someone who is interested in reading them. i don't see it as any different than all the little flyers you find in a hotel lobby area showing local attractions.

i honestly don't see what the big deal is either way. if a hotel owner wants to put them there, cool. if not, cool. i book my hotels based on the quality of the property, proximity to my reason for visiting, and price - in that order. the contents of the nightstand drawer don't enter into the equation.
The hotel does not put them there, the Gideons do so as a proselytizing method.
I think they have the right to allow it, just think it is sad.
A non-stalk/insult post *has heart-attack*.

lookout123 11-26-2007 07:43 PM
gideons don't literally go room to room replacing every bible. hotel employees do. gideons provide the bibles free of charge and have asked the hotel owners and management to place them there.

classicman 11-26-2007 08:15 PM
I was out of town for a funeral of a dear family member. While staying in the hotel I found comfort in reading some passages in the Bible. I also referenced things from it for my memorial speech. Why is that such a problem for you? If you don't want to read it - don't. Same as some of your posts, or mine, or anyones for that matter.

Cloud 11-26-2007 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 410537)
If you don't want to read it - don't. Same as some of your posts, or mine, or anyones for that matter.
Good point. Seems kinda familiar . . .

Kitsune 11-26-2007 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 410537)
Why is that such a problem for you?
This whole thing is a non-issue -- the Bibles are still available at the front desk upon request at these hotels and no one should really care if the books actually are placed in the drawers.

Aliantha 11-26-2007 09:06 PM
maybe they put bibles in hotel rooms for all the people who decide to get loaded then do themselves over in them. Maybe some people think they should be there for those people who might find some solace in the book which they'd never ask for if it weren't there.

Personally, if you don't want to read it, then don't. I agree with kitsune here. It's a non-issue.

rkzenrage 11-27-2007 12:48 AM
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Why is that such a problem for you?
It is not a problem beyond that I find religious proselytizing to be a low/deceitful practice and enjoy seeing anything that gets in its way.

classicman 11-27-2007 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 410592)
It is not a problem beyond that I find religious proselytizing to be a low/deceitful practice and enjoy seeing anything that gets in its way.
[on rant]Well I see your bashing of religion, any religion, something you choose to not believe in or are incapable of believing in, to be equally offensive. You seem to have a heck of a negative attitude. Why don't you try something more positive like love or caring? I have read many, many of your posts about you family and so on. Why is it so hard for you to treat others with that same love and respect? Oh thats right - you don't believe.....nevermind - as you were. [off rant]

Ibby 11-27-2007 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 410643)
[on rant]Well I see your bashing of religion, any religion, something you choose to not believe in or are incapable of believing in, to be equally offensive. You seem to have a heck of a negative attitude. Why don't you try something more positive like love or caring? I have read many, many of your posts about you family and so on. Why is it so hard for you to treat others with that same love and respect? Oh thats right - you don't believe.....nevermind - as you were. [off rant]
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't blame rage's neuroses and general dickishness on his atheism. I'm very much an atheist, but you don't see me being a bitch about everything, do you?
Don't confuse cause, effect, and coincidence.

Shawnee123 11-27-2007 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 410645)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't blame rage's neuroses and general dickishness on his atheism. I'm very much an atheist, but you don't see me being a bitch about everything, do you?
Don't confuse cause, effect, and coincidence.
It's hard to be a little bit atheist. ;)

Ibby 11-27-2007 09:02 AM
Not at all; what do you think agnosticism is?

Shawnee123 11-27-2007 09:02 AM
Agnostics admit they don't have a clue. Atheists believe there is no god, no way. Big difference.

Ibby 11-27-2007 09:08 AM
Maybe I shoulda put a :sarcasm: smiley in there...

classicman 11-27-2007 10:05 AM
nah - just admit your mistake and move on - She got ya and you know it. ;)

Happy Monkey 11-27-2007 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 410650)
Agnostics admit they don't have a clue. Atheists believe there is no god, no way. Big difference.
No, agnostics believe it is impossible to know. Atheists lack belief in gods. You can be one, the other, both, or neither. Some atheists have afirmative belief in the nonexistence of gods, but most simply lack belief.


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