I find that I have a lot of success with the "Hard to Get" approach.

This dog would not care if he never got me, but thanks for all the suggestions guys, and the links Brian I guess we'll just keep trying to win him over:fingerx: wish me luck

Update on the dog - I decided to take him for a walk today, about a half mile to 11 yr olds school, then she could walk him home. Little shit slips out of his collar a block from the school, so I followed him back to my house, put him in and went back to meet my daughter :mad2: The "glass is half full" part of me is just glad he could find his way home after only a week since he wouldn't let me pick him up to get his collar back on, but the other part of my brain is despairing that this dog is never going to like me

Call the Dog Whisperer...

keep a bag of really tastey soft smelly treats in a ziplock in your pocket. Every time you pat him on the head give him 1/4 or 1/2 of the treat. Then ignore him. After a while he will be following you around. You'll have him eating out of your hand.

good idea merc. He already has me pegged as the one to beg for dinner scraps from

just keep the treats in your pocket in a bag - he'll smell them on you & you'll be his one true love soon enough.

Dog treats, soft ones, can be really high in calories. We buy them and cut them into quarters and fill a bag. Fee them in a behavioral modification method. Only when the dog does what it wants you to do. In short order your dog will do anything for you.

did you mean

yea, that. unless the dog turns around and starts to give you treats, then you may be in trouble.

Well the reason I asked is so that cat owners understand :p Cats wait till there owners do what the cat wants and then..... oh never mind.