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Clodfobble 11-20-2008 12:09 PM

How can the air be any good way down at the bottom? I would think they'd need breathing apparatus at some point in their explorations.

Also: better hope the bulbs don't burn out on those flashlights.

Cicero 11-20-2008 12:10 PM

I like it when HLJ talks dirty. :)

barefoot serpent 11-20-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 506145)
There's probably some simple explanation for how it was formed, but I can't imagine what that would be.

Limestone rock (soluble) + water (slightly acidic) + time (millions of years) = karst topography

dar512 11-20-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas (Post 506205)
What about terminal velocity? I guess you couldn't figure it unless you knew the exact size & mass of the stone and figured out the air resistance.

And whether they have coconuts tied on.

HungLikeJesus 11-20-2008 01:57 PM

Perhaps someone in Argentina dug a hole to China.

Here's an elevation map of the cave from 2002 (from here). (I think it's the same cave. The link is to the explorers' journals.)

http://homepage.mac.com/brianjudd/ca...ve1/qikeng.gif

footfootfoot 11-20-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 506145)
It's really cool how smooth/straight that hole is. I'm no geologist. There's probably some simple explanation for how it was formed, but I can't imagine what that would be.

Tunnelling like that is usually caused by small clumps of baking soda or baking powder which weren't properly sifted. That is why it is important to sift all your dry ingredients, especially if they are clumpy.

Undertoad 11-20-2008 02:38 PM

I would guess that layers of permeable and impermeable rock are created over ages, and then pushed around as a part of tectonic plate collision, with some layers being pushed close to vertical, and then a process of erosion occurs and the impermeable parts don't crumble in for some reason. That's just a guess.

glatt 11-20-2008 02:53 PM

It's clearly water doing it, but I don't understand why the water eroded straight down instead of making a more horizontal cavern with stalactites and stalagmites. Those caverns are in limestone too.

It's so perfectly straight in the photos and we all know that water almost never goes perfectly straight. It winds and meanders all over the place following the path of least resistance.

Barefoot's karst topography link makes a lot of sense the way it's drawn, but I'm not fully convinced. This shaft reminds me of peeing into a snow bank. Dogs, I mean, not me. You would never catch me peeing into a snowbank.

Wombat 11-20-2008 05:48 PM

Not just any water... falling water. Water does go in a perfectly straight line when gravity makes it fall straight down and there is no wind.

Makes me think of Gandalf and the Balrog...

Ibby 11-20-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 506255)
Perhaps someone in Argentina dug a hole to China.

Here's an elevation map of the cave from 2002 (from here). (I think it's the same cave. The link is to the explorers' journals.)

http://homepage.mac.com/brianjudd/ca...ve1/qikeng.gif


they named all the different parts after... Doctor Who?

that. is. so. COOL.

footfootfoot 11-20-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 506192)
But "Horrendous personal pleasuring device accident' will. :D

You can't really dust astroglide for fingerprints, can you?

Gravdigr 11-21-2008 07:43 AM

Looks kinda like the asshole of the earth. And here I thought it (the a-hole of the earth) was in a trailer park here in Kentucky.

Diaphone Jim 11-21-2008 03:11 PM

No comments on the "grandma" quip in the intro, but I'm not sure why. One time I think of it I laugh out loud, the next time I shudder. Is it an old IOTD standby? Or just something xoB managed to sneak in?
Speaking of IOTD standbys, when I was in Vietnam there was a nearbly unit called the 174th Assault Helicopter Company, with the motto or handle "Dolphins and Sharks." The dolphins were the "slicks" or troop carriers and dustoffs and the sharks the gunships (Cobra, e.g.). Have they come up in the d/s bandinage here?

dar512 11-21-2008 04:20 PM

Bruce is just a witty guy.

Sundae 11-21-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim (Post 506656)
No comments on the "grandma" quip in the intro, but I'm not sure why.

I thunked it. But I have a quota of snarky comments per day, and I was saving them up for Flint.


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