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Aliantha 04-20-2009 10:19 PM

I think I should be...

classicman 04-20-2009 10:20 PM

Lets all just wish tw a looong and healthy life :)

tw 04-20-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 558369)
Lets all just wish tw a looong and healthy life

I'm virtual. Nothing but a blackout can harm me.

sugarpop 04-21-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 558349)
What if they had your DNA and planted it at the crime scene of a murdered Dweller whom you argued with online?
What recourse would you have?

ORLY? I hadn't heard that one.

In order to do that they would need your blood. That kind of blood has stuff in it that keeps it fresh, so they would be able to test it and they would know it was planted.

xoxoxoBruce 04-21-2009 01:43 AM

Or semen.

If they take your DNA along with your fingerprints on arrest, and if the courts find you innocent, you should be able to expunge your DNA record like your prints.

Aliantha 04-21-2009 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 558512)
Or semen.

Yeah, and would it be hard for anyone to believe a male dwellar might leave semen at the scene of a crime?

tw 04-21-2009 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 558518)
Yeah, and would it be hard for anyone to believe a male dwellar might leave semen at the scene of a crime?

Why are Somalian pirates relevant to Big Brother?

TheMercenary 04-21-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 558512)
Or semen.

If they take your DNA along with your fingerprints on arrest, and if the courts find you innocent, you should be able to expunge your DNA record like your prints.

or saliva, or hair, or any cell that came from your body.

Cloud 04-21-2009 10:53 AM

I just finished watching that movie, Eagle Eye. This is creeping me out.

Flint 04-21-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 558264)
For one thing, if I'm a law abiding citizen, what do I have to worry about?

My concern is that, when something that you're doing, today, that is legal, is made illegal, tomorrow, they already have the framework in place to track you, and you agreed with implementing it. You don't ever get to tear down that process when it dawns on you, later on, that it wasn't a good idea. The politicians of tomorrow can use the tools that the politicians of today put in place, for whatever purpose they see fit at that time. We can't control that from the present. I think that criminalization of harmless acts is part of the natural tendency to try to control a massive, ever-growing population--not through some nefarious scheme, but as a natural, gradual drift towards replacing chaos and disorder with strict, inflexible systems.

sugarpop 04-21-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 558512)
Or semen.

If they take your DNA along with your fingerprints on arrest, and if the courts find you innocent, you should be able to expunge your DNA record like your prints.

I imagine there are the same kind of problems with semen collection. I'm not saying it can't be done, but if someone wanted to set someone else up, it wouldn't be the police doing it. Do you know how many people would have to be involved to do that?

I imagine the way they would make a DNA database is not by keeping samples of semen laying around in a vault somehwere, ya know? They probably take a swab from your mouth, and then put the results in a database. I doubt they keep any blood samples or any other kind of samples either.

TheMercenary 04-21-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558618)
I imagine there are the same kind of problems with semen collection. I'm not saying it can't be done, but if someone wanted to set someone else up, it wouldn't be the police doing it. Do you know how many people would have to be involved to do that?

I imagine the way they would make a DNA database is not by keeping samples of semen laying around in a vault somehwere, ya know? They probably take a swab from your mouth, and then put the results in a database. I doubt they keep any blood samples or any other kind of samples either.

Sure they keep evidence. That is how a bunch of people (200?) have been freed under that system of looking at people who have been incarcerated for a long time in the system only to be found innocent.

classicman 04-21-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558618)
If someone wanted to set someone else up, it wouldn't be the police doing it. Do you know how many people would have to be involved to do that?

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DanaC 04-21-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 558599)
The politicians of tomorrow can use the tools that the politicians of today put in place, for whatever purpose they see fit at that time. We can't control that from the present. I think that criminalization of harmless acts is part of the natural tendency to try to control a massive, ever-growing population--not through some nefarious scheme, but as a natural, gradual drift towards replacing chaos and disorder with strict, inflexible systems.

Thought that stood repeating.

The DNA database worries me. Far more than CCTV, or people looking into my emails or tracking my mobile phone use (not saying I necessarily approve of all those things, but I don't get a cold chill from them). DNA is about as fundamental and personal as it gets. And I worry at the attitude that seems to be forming within our society that somehow DNA evidence is to be considered absolute and incontrovertable proof. Mainly though, I dont much like the idea of my government owning such deeply personal information about me.

sugarpop 04-21-2009 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 558622)
Sure they keep evidence. That is how a bunch of people (200?) have been freed under that system of looking at people who have been incarcerated for a long time in the system only to be found innocent.

They keep evidence. I was actually referring to DNA collection for a DNA database. I doubt they keep that around. Sorry if I wasn't clear.


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