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Cloud 07-27-2009 12:41 PM

Apparently, the cop was very experienced, and actually an instructor teaching cops not to racial-profile. (Or so I heard--who knows what's accurate now?)

I just want to know--if I become obstreperous, can I get a Beer With Obama?

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584394)
I don't disagree with you, HM, but I have to say that throwing the race card is about as shitty as it gets. ... It's a bit more than a little "attitude."

I don't disagree with that, but a) ideally, it shouldn't figure into whether to arrest him, and b) if it does figure into it, it makes arresting him even stupider.

The story should have been "Harvard Professor accuses cops of racism when they respond to 911 call". Gates would not have come out well in that exchange. Instead, the story was "Harvard professor arrested out of his own home after burglary reported." If someone is accusing you of racial profiling, tossing him in jail to teach him a lesson can only hurt your case.

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 01:21 PM

So you suggest we don't tiptoe around law enforcement, but we tiptoe around people who cry "wolf?"

smoothmoniker 07-27-2009 01:35 PM

A man whose professional life revolves around the power politics of race escalates a routine answer to a police call into a racial incident, prior to any escalation by the officer.

Gates has built his very lucrative academic career on seeing racists in every corner.

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584408)
So you suggest we don't tiptoe around law enforcement, but we tiptoe around people who cry "wolf?"

No, I suggest we ignore or refute people who cry "wolf" falsely. I further suggest that, if we wish to suggest that there is no wolf, we not bite them.

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 02:14 PM

Ignore the guy who may or may not be entering a house illegally to do who knows what, because he screams wolf?

Yeah, OK.

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 02:18 PM

Ignore the crying of wolf, which is irrelevant to whether he was in the house legally. And both accounts stipulate that he was.

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 02:21 PM

Next time I'm skulking about outside my own home, and the police ask me if I live there and want ID, I'm going to start screaming "PMS" rather than show my ID. It's really the best way to go. They don't even need to give me the crap about protecting my neighbors, or me...I don't even care if there is a serial killer in my house, just so everyone knows I've been put upon.

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 02:22 PM

The closest thing to "crying wolf" in the "break-in" would be the neighbor calling 911, but that wouldn't apply unless she was in the habit of doing that.

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584423)
Next time I'm skulking about outside my own home,

Did you mean "inside"?

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 02:35 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry: I meant "next time I'm inside my house after forcing my door open" I will scream because, really, I want anyone to have the right to force my door open. Don't they know WHO I AM?

Cloud 07-27-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584423)
Next time I'm skulking about outside my own home, and the police ask me if I live there and want ID, I'm going to start screaming "PMS" rather than show my ID.

Perfect!

Flint 07-27-2009 03:06 PM

Isn't this a bit like the people who get mad at store clerks for checking their ID when they want to make a credit card purchase? The reason the clerk is doing it isn't because they are "out to get you" or whatever the hell stupid reason.

Happy Monkey 07-27-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584430)
Yeah, I'm sorry: I meant "next time I'm inside my house after forcing my door open"

Did you mean "after using the key to get in the back door after the front was stuck"?

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 03:08 PM

That isn't what the neighbor said, who called 911: they saw a person wedging into the door. Or, were the cops casing the joint just WAITING for him to do just that (duh duh DUHHHHHHHHH theme music.)

Quit playing semantics with me, ya pansy ass pansies.


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