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Lamplighter

11-18-2010 09:34 AM

At least one federal judge understands that rendition and torture are not American values...

LosAngeles Times
U.S. civilian court acquits ex-Guantanamo detainee of all major terrorism charges

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The verdict involving a suspect in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa
may complicate efforts to try Sept. 11 defendants in nonmilitary U.S. courts.
But Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani may still face life in prison without parole for his conviction on a lesser count.

The verdict could presage trouble for President Obama's plans to close the U.S. military prison in Cuba
and bring its remaining detainees to the United States for trial.
Officials who want military commissions to try the men argue that terrorism suspects
would get too many rights and protections in civilian court.

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In Ghailani's monthlong trial, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan refused to allow a key government witness
to testify after finding that the information had been produced by torture at an undisclosed CIA foreign detention site.

classicman

11-18-2010 09:53 AM

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In Ghailani’s case, prosecutors chose not to introduce any of the statements Ghailani made when he was interrogated while in CIA custody and at Guantanamo, although prosecutors told the judge the statements amounted to a confession of his role in the embassy plot. Defense lawyers contended that the statements were coerced and inadmissible.

Hmm ????

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The judge recognized the potential damage of excluding the witness...

on what grounds?

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when he said in his ruling that Ghailani’s status of “enemy combatant’’ probably would permit his detention as something akin “to a prisoner of war until hostilities between the United States and Al Qaeda and the Taliban end, even if he were found not guilty.’’

So it was basically meaningless in this case - He'll never get out.

Link

I'm not sure what to make of this - There seems to be too much info missing or I'm just not getting it. Finding him not guilty on 284 out of 285 charges seems bizarre. Oh wait, here it is .....

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On Monday, the prospect of a deadlock was raised when a juror asked to be removed because she was alone in her view of the case and felt she was being attacked by other jurors.

Was she? or did the jurors make a deal? The plot thickens..... To be continued.

xoxoxoBruce

11-18-2010 10:48 AM

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...attacked by other jurors.

Beat her up? Pants her? Pee in her drink? Most likely they said they were right and she was wrong. If she feels that's an "attack", she's too emotional to be making rational decisions anyway. :rolleyes:

glatt

11-18-2010 11:01 AM

You can attack someone verbally. If there were a bunch of other jurors all in her face yelling at her, that's an attack. Not an assault, but an attack.

xoxoxoBruce

11-18-2010 11:08 AM

In legalese, not reality. :rolleyes:

footfootfoot

11-18-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 681442)

So if you get beat up in a bar, you'll sue the taxi company that took you there.:rolleyes:

Would it matter if the taxi company that took you to the bar knew they were hired by the beaters explicitly to deliver beatees?

xoxoxoBruce

11-18-2010 11:25 AM

Bitch, bitch, bitch. OK, Should AAA be sued for providing a Triptik to someone that used it to transport illegal stuff?

Lamplighter

11-18-2010 01:20 PM

xoB, we've been thru these arguments before.
If AAA knew the plan was illegal, it's called conspiracy.

Oh wait ! That's what Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was convicted of, and may be sentenced to life in prison.

classicman

11-18-2010 01:28 PM

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The verdict came after a four-week trial in which prosecutors built a circumstantial case to try to establish that Ghailani played a key logistical role in the preparations for the Tanzania attack.

They said the evidence showed that he helped to buy the Nissan Atlas truck that was used to carry the bomb, and gas tanks that were placed inside the truck to intensify the blast. He also stored an explosive detonator in an armoire he used, and his cellphone became the “operational phone’’ for the plotters in the weeks leading up to the attacks, prosecutors contended.

Thats a little more than renting a car .... just sayin'

xoxoxoBruce

11-18-2010 01:29 PM

AAA prints a million Triptiks, how the fuck would they know what people are doing with them? Jeppesen does the logistics for millions of flights, for both the government and businesses. How the fuck do they know what the customer is going there for? You obviously don't understand what Jeppesen does. They are the world's leading provider of airport and air route information... to everyone.

Lamplighter

11-18-2010 02:03 PM

Of course, IF AAA did not know the triptik was for an illegal act...

But the Jeppsen thing was different.
Jeppsen did know what they were doing, with whom they were doing it,
and they were making a profit from it.
So naming them in the law suit seemed entirely appropriate to me.

xoxoxoBruce

11-18-2010 02:53 PM

Hearsay of speculation by another employee, even a manager, means jackshit, even if the speculation is accurate. Do you really think the CIA told Jeppsen the particular reasons they were flying spooks here and there, or a small percentage of the flights were moving prisoners? Don't forget, Jeppson wasn't actually on the planes, they saw nothing. The lawyers are just looking for deep pockets they can draw into a bullshit conspiracy.

footfootfoot

11-18-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 694957)

Bitch, bitch, bitch. OK, Should AAA be sued for providing a Triptik to someone that used it to transport illegal stuff?

AAA should be sued for being a shitty-ass wouldn't hook me up the one time I called them because it was too late at night to come help our stranded asses in the Arizona desert company. But not about that Triptik stuff.

xoxoxoBruce

11-19-2010 02:42 AM

Too late at night? That's when you need the fuckers. :(

richlevy

11-21-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 695086)

Too late at night? That's when you need the fuckers. :(

Darn straight. That's sort of like owning a 22-hour-a-day convenience store.

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