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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 688154)

I like that the rate is the same as the beat to "Stayin' Alive." Whoever figured that out is a mnemonic genius.

It also works with "Another One Bites the Dust."

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 688176)

I've never been in a situation where I had to do this (fortunately, and doubly fortunately since I've never had the training.) To be honest, I've always been kinda squicked about the mouth to mouth thing; and wondered if I would be willing to do this for someone who had blood or puke or foam in their mouths. I'd do it for my child or someone I loved, but for a stranger? I might hesitate (hangs head in shame). This looks better.

There's a good reason to get trained.

One of the primary things they teach you is to look after yourself first and that it's OK to do that. Nobody would expect anybody to do direct mouth-to-mouth on a vomit-caked stranger. Get trained. You'll be reassured and gain confidence, even if you never have to use it. And you have grandbabies now. They need different care. Go do a CPR and first aid course that includes infant and child care. You'll feel empowered.

I think that's probably good advice

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Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 688174)

Another piece of the puzzle is that it seems when the general public is given very simple, clear guidelines on how to do compression only CPR, they are much more likely to intervene in a cardiac situation since they are more confident in their abilities. That then leads to higher survival rates since at least something is being done during that golden window where minutes matter until more advanced life support via EMS can arrive and take over. I doubt CPR for the professional rescuer will change since we have access to oxygen, bag-valve masks, airway adjuncts, IV's, drugs, etc. It will be interesting to see where this goes though.

There will always be a distinction between pre-hospital and hospital based CPR. The current research on pre-hospital CPR as posted is actually based on sound research. You can't compare the apples and oranges of pre-hospital and hospital based CPR with the added element of medical training and lay training. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 688203)

QFT

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 688220)

I wasn't attempting to discount lay CPR training, on the contrary actually. What I was trying to say is that anything that gets people to intervene during a cardiac situation is a good thing in my book. It improves the chances of survival and decreases the possibility of permanent damage to the victim. I'm all for compression only adult CPR to be the new lay standard.

IMO we should have some sort of incentive to the general population to get trained and stayed trained such as getting a tax credit of some sort. Relying on goodwill works fine, but the more the merrier.

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Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 688261)

QFT

I'm hoping that means something like Quite Fucking True rather than Queer Frivolous tart -although the latter would be flattering in other circs, I'm sure

Quoted For Truth, although I admit Quite Fucking True is a much more colorful way to say it.

In the video they mentioned several times, using the CCC method you can't be sued, which we all know is bullshit. Anybody can be sued for any stupid thing. But anyway, if a person that's not certified uses the old CPR, can they be held liable? Even if they stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?

It is bullshit, you can break many ribs during chest compressions. And believe me it's easy to do and expected during the course of normal compressions (you can feel them break, kinda gross but oh well). Many states have Good Samaritan laws in place to protect bystanders who intervene during a medical emergency, regardless of their training, if they are acting in good faith.

They mentioned the broken ribs with the response, who cares, they're dying, broken ribs is the least of their problems.

Of course, they might get pissy about it if they were really taking a nap. :haha:

There actually is a significant risk with breaking ribs curing compressions. The overzealous person may push down so hard that the broken rib punctures a lung. That's when shit really hits the fan, pneumothorax is a bitch. That's why in CPR class they give a certain depth range for your compressions so you don't push too hard and too far down.

I was surprised they said a couple inches deflection, that sounded like an awful lot.

I was also surprised they said not to check for a pulse--if the guy is having a stroke, and you start compressing the shit out of his chest, you're just going to make his heart stop too.

Really? Can't give CPR to a stroke victim?