I'm sure the birthers will be consistent on this one. ;)

I agree.
After all, Hillary was born and raised in Chicago,
and that's where Obama comes from too.

That can't be just a coincidence.

Srsly, I don't like any of the "potential candidates" right now at all. In a country of 300,000,000 the best we got is another Clinton and Bush? We R Suck.

The system as it is, is not a meritocracy - so no: they are not the best you have. They are just what you have.

w^Dana^s

So, follow Dr Phil's advice
... Figure out what each one has done in the past,
... Expect them to do the same in the future.
... Then decide which comes the closest to what you would want.

It does no good to just complain about not having the perfect candidate.

( This is why I have to be a dick ) :runaway:

Nobody would want to suffer the slings and arrows of higher office if it weren't for an overblown ego and /or an ulterior motive.

I disagree - 'nobody' is too absolute. There are and will always be a small number of people in political office, even at the higher echelons, who are true believers with a strong desire for civic service.

But they are, and always will be, outnumbered by those motivated by personal ambition, tribal or corporate influence, greed, and/or self-regard.

And both seem outnumbered by those who combine elements of the two.

I generally get more pissed about the stuff politicians get wrong than pleased with the things they get right. I suspect I'm not the only one. It isn't a great atmosphere to work in for normal people.

:headshake Altruism doesn't make it past local politics over here.
Any office above that (county, state, national), are candidates who are bought & paid for "guided".

BIG D AND THE KIDS TABLE LYRICS
"Try Out Your Voice"
I was talking to a young man at a party in these war days
And he asked me my thoughts
I talked about peace, fighting for the people,
he scowled then walked away
Told me my views are fucked

We screamed, we cried, the message has amplified
But they won't hear the people's voice
We scream, we cry, the message has amplified
But they won't hear the people's voice
Come on suits it's time to show us something
You know it's time for better days
Come on suits it's time to show us something
Just get your hearts out front, and prove you're something

Remember being proud, remember feeling loved,
remember when leaders gave sacrifice
I believe all men don't have a price
Truth in the state of the union address
Truth in this political process
I should not have to sing for this

We screamed, we cried, the message has amplified
But they won't hear the people's voice
We scream, we cry, the message has amplified
But they won't hear the people's voice
Come on suits it's time to show us something
You know it's time for better days
Come on suits it's time to show us something
Just get your hearts out front, and prove you're something
Try out your voice, now use it, now use it, we are the people
Try out your voice, now use it, now use it, we are the people
Try out your voice, now use it, now use it, we are the people
Try out your voice, try out your voice, just try out your voice
Now use it, now use it, we are the people

You THINK you have to be a dick because you THINK you are morally or ethically or some other bullshit better than or smarter than others. You are wrong.
You have to be for only one reason, because you are.

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Refers back to post 20, glatt.

Yeah, and it's a hard life.

You know what you are supposed to do in this situation, don't you?

Run. For election, or, away.