The state of California has a separate government but they are part of America. California isn't recognized as separate from America though. The same is true about Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. Taiwan is part of China and they haven't declared independence from China. If they do, they're dead meat. Mexico fought for their independence from Spain, America fought for our independence from England, etc. Taiwan has never declared or fought for their independence. Until they do, they are part of China.

It seems like a case of "Where reality collides with rhetoric" to me.

Taiwan SHOULD be able to declare themselves independent, but the REALITY of the situation is they can't or they'll be destroyed.

foobar.

Juju, Taiwan has considered itself the "true" China since the Nationalists fled the mainland in 1949 (the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China). Most of the world went along with this until the late 60s/early 70s (you may recall Nixon's big trip over there). The US position these days seems to be "let them work it out themselves."

This should be the U.S. position in all foreign conflicts, but in this case it MUST be that way because we have no choice in the matter. If we get involved we can't handle the shit storm that will result.

TW is one part of China
 

Most Taiwanese want to come back China mainland one day. They think the US can not give them a safe life, only their home town, mother, China. We are the same families.

TW still one part of China
 

Just in 1990s a few people wanted go out China. GuoMin party still think TW is one part of China. They hope to recover China mainland again. Most of Chinese think TW is one part of China.

Heaven
 

Now more and more Taiwanese come back Chian mainland to seek jobs. They live here ,work here,love here, think China is their real home. I hear few people who work in mainland think it is bad here. They earn much money and have a better life. Why it is hell??

I think what juju was saying, (and I certainly don't agree with him), is that the Communist party are devils and therefore China is like Hell. But I could be misinterpreting it as well.

Safe from what? The only one threatening them has been Red China.
Most Chinese think Tibet is part of China except the native people.That's exactly what I suggested. If you want Taiwan to come back into the fold, make it worth their while. Instead of threatening to subdue them, make China a place they want to be.
Nobody wants to go "home" if mother is an axe murderer.;)

Re: Heaven
 

It's just an expression. :)

It's hell because the government tells every single person how to live every aspect of their lives. It's hell because the Chinese people don't know the meaning of the word Freedom. It's hell because Communism is pure evil. It's hell because the people of China have horrible living conditions, substandard healthcare, oppressive and evil government that violates the civil rights of everyone and asks the citizens to spy on each other and report their friends, neighbors, and relatives when they speak out against it, and for a host of other reasons.

Billy, he didn't say China is hell or it is hell is China. He said "what the hell" is just an expression than adds emphasis to his question.
Dave was being a wiseguy, I think?
And Radar, well he makes his position pretty clear. :eek:

Hell/heaven is up to you
 

These days the White House support Tibet to deviate from P.R. China. Tibet is one part of China. Whole the country help Tibet deleopment. I think the relation between China and the USA like neighbor.

China is one having big park, poor, peaceful, quiet family. The USA is one powerful, strong, rich, greedy family. The US family hope China family in confusion so they can snatch our fortune, beautiful girls, domain. They export capitalism to China. The Chinese just hope to have a peaceful and quiet life, not war and confusion. No one can save us, only ourselves. We should protect ourselves, not invade and occupy other family.