drat. another idea stolen before i ever thought of it. did you now that shelby and i dreamed of creating internet cafe's in the early nineties before they became reality?

Not that I'm a big fan of RIAA or the whole music organization, but the DIFFERENCE is, only one of you is using the hedge trimmers at a time. If I load a friend my copy of Dark Side of the Moon, then while he's playing it, I am not. If I burn him a copy, then it's entirely possible that while I'm using it, he is as well.

Get it?

Yeah, do ya get it:D
Anyway's, as you just discovered somebody jumped the gun on your idea, I had a similar experience.
I fantasised about creating a single wheel motorcycle. The type where you sit inside the wheel. Imagine my disgust when I happened upon it on the net, not as an idea but a fully worked up prototype.
:mad:
Here's my "get it" analogy. If I loan my neighbour my hedge trimmer he/she's unlikely to clone it.

...And then comically used in a South Park episode!

And actually LJ, if you guys pay me to develop the site, you can have the idea too. There's nothing outrageously difficult about it - it just takes time to put together.

That particular model was a little more...ah.. elaborate than mine.:D

There is no such Who song...it is titled "Baba O'Reilly"...

Sorry...I'm a Who purist. That being said, this was funny.

Count me in. Yet another good idea by Lj

Maybe this will be the incentive I need to convert my vinyl to bits and bytes.

Oh, and on a related note, some lady in NJ is suing the RIAA under the RICO statutes. WoooHooo!!

No, it's not my real name. 'undertoad', 'wolf', 'jinx', and 'lumberjim' - those are real names. dar512 is the handle I use in a number of places on the internet. 'dar' comes from my initials. 512 is one of those magic numbers in programming since it's a power of 2.

Feel free to call me dar if you like.

No cop involved. I'm just expressing my opinion. Ethics and morality are topics that come up on the cellar on a regular basis. The ethics and morality of intellectual property are difficult to begin with. Plus, it is easier to assuage one's conscience when stealing something that is invisible and untouchable. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.

Intellectual property (IP) is different from physical property. If you loan your friend a clipper, you can't use it while he has it, can you? With IP like a CD, you are not really loaning the CD, you are loaning the rights to the performance. If you loan a CD to a friend, you don't have the right to the performance while he has it.

So to answer your question - if you loan a cd, song, whatever to someone and you don't listen to the cd, song, whatever while it's gone, I think that is ethically moral. The RIAA might still hassle you about it, but I wouldn't.

If you make a copy of the cd before loaning it, and you both listen to it during that same period, then that's wrong.


There's no doubt in my mind that major labels have a veritable monopoly. That doesn't give us the excuse to also be immoral.


I think you can work this ethically, if people are willing to put away the cds that the music originally came from while their favorites collection is out on loan.

Yeah... that's unfortunately a price of doing business on the networks. People are stupid sometimes.


Of course I didn't type it all out. I just did:<blockquote>ls --color=never /cdrom > ~/foo
kate ~/foo</blockquote>And then I copy-and-pasted. Simple.

FWIW, on a couple of drunken weekends recently I ripped 130ish cds (I owned them all, mostly 80s stuff I used to buy), d/l track info and ftp'd em to a modified XBOX...it sucked but I now have 1700+ tracks on that bad boy along with all my home video and a few thousund digital/scanned photos....all a few game controller button clicks away.

I would highly recomend this to anyone interested, cost me $120 for a used XBOX, $80 for a 120G hard drive, lots of research time and a case of beer last Halloween.

so if we made only one best of cd, and it circulated around to the people who were interested in it, and reserved it, we would not be able to listen to it simultaneously, right? what if we happen to hear one of the songs on the radio????? :eek:

i have better taste in music than jim does, btw.

But poorer taste in spouses.

:D sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyone have any darker trance type music?

I will look through our collection also, and put out a list of possibilities.

I do. House/Techno/Industrial too.