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DanaC 07-17-2004 07:46 AM

I think the Israelis should stop blaming the Palestinians for their problems and using that as an excuse to act in an illegal and immoral fashion.

Undertoad 07-17-2004 07:47 AM

Most bombers come from the Al Aqsa martyr's brigade which is a part of Arafat's Fatah. If Arafat announced tomorrow that all suicide bombing would end, he'd say it in English and the next hour say the complete opposite in his native tongue, as he often has. The truth is, every morning he wakes up and arranges his headgear in the shape of all of the land he believes he has the right to, as a message to his people. Arafat is a billionaire who has made his money by scuttling the promise of his people, in order to wage a proxy war.

DanaC 07-17-2004 07:48 AM

Arafat is a hero to some, a villain to others. A one time very brave warrior and tireless worker for the interests of his people. He's also a very old and ill man. His power is.......nominal

jaguar 07-17-2004 07:49 AM

Arafat is a tired old man. If arafat dropped dead tomorrow the world would undoubtedly be a better place but I fail see what that has to do with it. Al Aqsa is as much a coherent organization as Al Queda, held together by ideology and consisting of hundreds of independent cells that have little or no cross-contact to reduce the danger of a whole number being blown by mossad.

Or somehow, in your twilight zone, his existence justify the worst systematic persecution the world over by a developed state.

You refuse to answer my question. How would that treatment make you feel? Or is the answer not something you'd like to admit? Would it make you angry maybe? Maybe you'd want revenge? Hmmm, i wonder now.

DanaC 07-17-2004 07:53 AM

One wonders just how far Israel can go before those who sympathis e begin to see their criminality. Perhaps if they began slaughtering Palestinians in their thousands .......Though I doubt it. I am beginning to think that even if Israel waged genocide against the Palestinians ( as opposed merely to the ethnic cleansing which they have thus far engaged in ) those in America who support them would continue to believe that the Palestinians brought it upon themselves. Maybe Israel is the only nation which is allowed to commit crimes against humanity with impunity

Undertoad 07-17-2004 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
jesus you don't get it do you? How do you organize a truce where there is no authority and hundreds of splintered groups?

This "no authority" is a new claim. If Arafat didn't have the authority to accept the offer made via Clinton in 1999, then he didn't have the authority to announce the intifada and the intifada never began, right?

DanaC 07-17-2004 07:57 AM

I rather think the Intefada began regardless of whether Arafat announced it or not.

DanaC 07-17-2004 08:00 AM

"This "no authority" is a new claim"

Well.....Its' a dynamic situation. The more the Israelis destroy of the Palestinians infrastucture; the more they cause grief, anger and despair amongst the militants; the further they undermine Arafat's authority within Palestine .......the less authority any one person or group is able to claim over Palestine

Undertoad 07-17-2004 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
You refuse to answer my question. How would that treatment make you feel? Or is the answer not something you'd like to admit? Would it make you angry maybe? Maybe you'd want revenge? Hmmm, i wonder now.

Even if you had a point which was not seeped in blame of others, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures have faced similar situations and NOT turned to the killing of innocents as an approach.

Here is your answer then.

Nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse my killing an innocent victim. I would not do it.

And you would. We establish this every year.

DanaC 07-17-2004 08:04 AM

"Even if you had a point which was not seeped in blame of others, hundreds upon hundreds of cultures have faced similar situations and NOT turned to the killing of innocents as an approach."

Give an example

Undertoad 07-17-2004 08:04 AM

http://cellar.org/2004/galaizenman.jpg

Five year old Gal Aizenman, blown up with her grandmother for riding a bus. I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it.

DanaC 07-17-2004 08:07 AM

Give an example of other cultures facing similar situations to that of the Palestinians and refraining from shedding innocent blood

DanaC 07-17-2004 08:11 AM

"I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it."

In that case how are the killings of Palestinian civilians an excusable and understandable response to Palestinian bombs?

Undertoad 07-17-2004 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC
Give an example of other cultures facing similar situations to that of the Palestinians and refraining from shedding innocent blood

The Jews, during the holocaust.

Undertoad 07-17-2004 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC
"I would not kill her and nothing that could possibly be done to me could excuse me killing her. I would not do it."

In that case how are the killings of Palestinian civilians an excusable and understandable response to Palestinian bombs?

They are not, which is why Palestinian civilians are not specifically targeted.


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