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marichiko 09-10-2005 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tw
I hope you all appreciate the irony of what wolf has just posted. Her credentials for the job are even better than Brownies's - the still current Director of FEMA.

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Originally Posted by richlevy
You have asked a very good question of us liberals, but of course the question is academic. Our conservative president is the one who has the real choice, after failing miserably the first time. Where will he find someone with the conservative credentials he seems to require, with the compassion to have chosen public service in the past, with the individualism and command presence needed to organize effective relief, but who will not challenge presidential authority when the President or someone else in the adminstration tries to do something stupid again?

WOLFIE! WOLFIE! WOLFIE!

I pick Wolf! I think she'd be great!

richlevy 09-10-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx
Do they have Numi brand there? I don't get out to whole foods enough to keep a good supply anymore. I prefer Honeybush, but like Rooibos (blend? why?) for variety

I keep it at work, so I'll have to check. The name doesn't ring a bell. It might even be a house brand. It's an orange-yellow box with red writing.

Tonchi 09-10-2005 03:03 PM

I think Wolf would be a perfect choice for the job. After all, Bush is so big on faith-based initiatives and I think Pagans are severely underrepresented in the recovery work right now. They have the right and the duty to care for "their people" in NO :D

wolf 09-10-2005 07:56 PM

Brown's job is not to manage disasters.

It is his job to manage a huge corporation whose job it is to manage disasters.

Happy Monkey 09-10-2005 09:30 PM

Neither of which is he qualified for.

tw 09-10-2005 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf
Brown's job is not to manage disasters.

It is his job to manage a huge corporation whose job it is to manage disasters.

Which is why the top man must have experience in managing disasters? Business school philosophy says Brownie needs no disaster experience to "manage an organization that manages disasters". Ironic. George Jr is a graduate of that education. Damning coincidence - or also why other disasters such as the NE Blackout two years ago, the Challenger, and Three Mile Island all have those same symptoms. Top management had no experience with the organization's product.

According to business school concepts, an acceptable manager of a mental health facility would be a realtor or a bank auditor - especially if he has no medical or science training.

wolf 09-10-2005 11:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the CEO of IBM can't build a computer, and probably has trouble turning one on.

tw 09-11-2005 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf
I'm pretty sure the CEO of IBM can't build a computer, and probably has trouble turning one on.

That was when IBM was losing money everywhere. Let us look at what Bill Gates found on CEO Aker's desk and on the desk of everyone else in IBM corporate in early 1990s. IBM XTs with CGA monitors. IOW when the top man could not even use a computer, then IBM's own corporate office was using computers that could not execute any software sold in computer stores.

Then Gerstner arrived bring with him some MBAs. IBM still lost employees, sales, etc. Then Gerstner promoted five long time IBM employees - all with product experience - to top positions. Today we now see the so productive response. Meanwhile Gerstner could also use a computer.

You don't have to know how to build a computer to meet the criteria defined. Just like a hospital administration need not have performed surgery. But that hospital administrator better have some kind of medical experience. It’s called 'having dirt under the fingernails'.

Correctly stated - Wolf's credentials are better than Brownie's for a job as Director of FEMA. That does not say Wolf is qualified for the job. It does explain the obvious - why Brown is so bad - not anywhere near as qualified as Wolf. Brown was more than that bad - a classic example of a political appointee or how a classic MBA selects subordinates. It's no accident that FEMA had a massive brain drain about 4 fours ago.

tw 09-11-2005 10:26 AM

Both Michael Brown and his boss Chertoff are lawyers. Both have no experience in disaster management. So as Michael Brown was outrightly lying and impeding assistance to the victims, Michael Chertoff was saying Brown was doing a good job. Notice that lies and inventing reality are what lawyers do and other lawyers approve of. Michael Chertoff had no idea of the job Brown was doing because Chertoff was only a lawyer.

And then it gets worse. Both men answer to an MBA who in turn says, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." One need only look at the resumes to appreciate that Wolf is far more qualified for a disaster management job. The resumes along say, "More than 85% of problems are directly traceable to these top managers." People died as a result.

Who elected these people anyway? Notice they are the ones now so silent.

Happy Monkey 09-12-2005 02:27 PM

Another small step in the right direction - Brown is officially out, according to Daily Kos.

BigV 09-12-2005 02:46 PM

Question:

From the Bush Administration's perspective, which scenario offers the best spin? Fire Michael Brown, or accept his resignation?

I would have thought there would be points (maybe poll points) to be earned by acknowledging his poor performance and firing him. I know this administration, and GWB in particular, value loyalty very highly. Perhaps they thought that firing him would diminish that reputation. Certainly they don't think that they're expecting to shed any responsibility for Brown's (in)actions by meekly accepting his resignation?

Or, worse, don't think that he should leave the post at all?

Happy Monkey 09-12-2005 02:53 PM

Here's a real article.
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The president ducked questions about Brown's resignation. "Maybe you know something I don't know. I've been working," the president said to reporters on an inspection tour of damage in Gulfport, Miss. Bush said he planned to talk with Brown's boss, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, from Air Force One on the flight back to Washington.
"There will be plenty of time to figure out what went right and what went wrong," Bush said.

BigV 09-12-2005 02:54 PM

Another link on Brown's resignation.

My favorite excerpt:
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One correction was made to make clear that Brown had not served as "an assistant city manager," as had been stated in his biography. The new biography states that Brown served as "an assistant to the city manager."
Oops. Tee-hee.
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FEMA spokesman Matt Burns played down the change in Brown's biography, calling it "a clerical typing error that has since been corrected."
:lol2::lol::lol2:

Happy Monkey 09-12-2005 02:58 PM

Assistant to the City Manager
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/theoffic...ain_gareth.jpg


BigV 09-12-2005 03:03 PM

Bigger question, slightly off topic:

Why, oh why, would you lie on your resume? I mean, really. Don't you think the stakes are a little high? And with an interested party (your employer) with whom you're hoping to have a long term relationship. I don't get it.


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