This is the sort of bullshit that Makes President Bush a hero of mine. All theocrats should be whacked.

Yep I'm definintely advocating a purge of Muslim leaders worldwide. :rar: :rar:

Two generations ago it was a common cry by conservative and liberal parents alike that if you, 'spare the rod you'll spoil the child'.

If this was a quote from the bible (may not be but I think it is), then what makes one religious book more right when both are advocating corporal punishment? The only difference is that in this case, it's a grown woman who surely would have been consious of the consequences where-as with children, sometimes their understanding of consequence is questionable.

Please explain to me why Muslim leaders should be purged world wide? Surely you meant fundamentalists or extremists right?

Of course I don't condone a public beating. The point I'm actually trying to make is that from our perspective, what's right and wrong is different. Just as from a Muslim perspective, a lot of what many Christians do or believe is wrong.

What gives us the right to judge?

And nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. All part of the same joke.

It looks staged to me. I lived and worked in Sumatra back in 76. Also married a lady there. Never saw a caning, but heard tales about, No one lives after 100 licks because they split the cane and it takes a bite out each lick. Also don't get sent to jail if you have no friends, kin because food is not included. My wife had a white get-up like the one above, only worn for special prayer things. So maybe the lady is praying he dosen't beat the crap out of her? Whatda I know?

No one said it was 100 strokes, and it is over clothing.

But people in fact do survive 100 strokes. They better have friends to bandage them up though.

Human rights trumps tradition.

And every western or Christian society is totally free of sin as far as human rights are concerned?

You'll have to line up behind the theocrats in his fan club.

I wondered about that pure-white outfit, too. I'll bet each girl gets one on her tenth birthday from mom, "Honey, this is your very special white outfit. You'll wear it for your wedding, special prayers, and if you are ever caned in public."

I'm thinkin' it must be an old habit. I have vague recollections of admonitions against it in the old testament. Maybe it was the new testament. Who can say?

Judging makes us feel good and right about ourselves. It helps us to bond as a group by uniting against "them".

The alternative, seeing something form someone else's point of view, is sometimes harrowing for people.

But, yeah, who does give us the right to judge? Depending on who you ask, it is usually their "god". :(

It's a paradox. You can't have good without bad. If there's no bad, then what is good? nothing! The only difference is perspective.

At least the Puritans would strip them to the waist first. ;)

I think that might be the 7th Day Adventists.

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Thanks to religioustolerance.org, I now know the following:

Mormon Church Founded: 1830. Joseph Smith had his first vision at age 13, in 1820.

7th Day Adventist Church Founded: 1863

Jehovah Witness Founded (Zion Watch Tower Tract Society): 1884

Unitarian Universalist Church Founded: 1961 (Unitarians and Universalists merged. Unitarian church was formed in 1638 in Transylvania. The first Universalist Church in the U.S. was formed in 1785, however there had been Universalist Churches in England as early as the 17th Century).

Looks like the UUs win on a technicality for youngest, but the JWs are really the winners. Of course I left out/ignored a lot of sects.

Great. I go back and check the site and of course NOW I find this lovely completed table of all this information.

What about the Moonies, Wolf? Sun Yoon Moon or whatever the fat little crook is named.


Never mind, in opening your chart I see they have him listed as the most recent cult leader. Rather strange to see the Moonies listed as Christians, though :neutral: