this has got some legs...I hope.

I'd hope so, but I'm pretty sure I heard this story years ago. But now it's testimony instead of just a story, so we'll see.

The Swift Boaters have never been refuted on any point of fact re Kerry. The credulous and slow of mind, of course, may believe otherwise.

It appears no one processed John Kerry's citations for any of his three Purple Hearts.

Incorrect.

Swiftboaters? geeze. spin city. If you are any form of patriotic American, UG, the revelations by former DAG Comey should alarm you far far more than Kerry's old medals.

I'm not fan of Ashcroft, but this makes him look like one righteous dude (and that's saying something) This ruthless unconstitutional illegal powergrab apparently made by Bush, Card, Gonzales, Addington and Cheney. then covered up using the power of red tape and information control, now comes to light. Its not about the legality of the wiretap program per se, its about the acts of executive government claiming to be above the law and proceeding to act above the law. That is monarchy.The cronyism and dishonor that allows these illegal acts to go un-investigated, unchecked, until a new congress has the power to pursue it. Seriously how can you not see this as impeachable stuff? How can you justify this politicization as national security?

You know, I may rethink my position on gun ownership.

I think the letters of executive privilege exemption Bush wrote, for every bill passed, are pretty damning.

Come on now...you're just Bush bashing! ;)

I really don't know about the veracity of the "swift boaters" or the bloggers, but I personally witnessed inflated accounts of heroism to get medals for people during the Viet Nam conflict. A friend had been encouraged to embellish on an injury suffered in diving for cover by the company brass in order to get a medal for one of their own. This is not to diminish the majority of hard-won medals for real heros, but a lot of people manipulated facts in order to self-promote. I was always a bit skeptical of Sen. Kerry's awards.

Ya think? Lets look at those recent Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients...Tenet, Bremer, Franks....Rumsfeld...as they resign in disgrace, let's reward their incompetence. Heckuva job, now go write your book.

Warch, is you besmirching our national heros? The very leaders of the Bush administration's efforts to stamp out freedom? Uh.... for the bad guys, I meant freedom for the bad guys.

I love how Kerry is the bad guy for his multiple tours in Nam, but Bush's dodging service is a non-issue. He is a punk-ass, moron, bitch and should be treated as such.
Kerry served his country with distinction and the swift boat pussies are just envious, NOTHING more.

They resigned in disgrace? Where the hell did you get that?

Disgrace? Their incompetence in prosecuting their respective jobs, weakening our national security, not comprehending the enemy or the complexity of the tasks at hand, not having the honor or strength to stand when it could have helped, and being forced out by political pressure and polls when the failures were too many, ("mistakes were made..." but by whom?) True, Bush was quite proud, apparently you are, too.
I suppose I have higher expectations and standards of competency from national leaders. To me they resigned not to have "more personal time with the family"...but because they failed.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399374/site/newsweek/

I don't agree. But that's cool. Franks certainly did not leave in disgrace. Tenet, Rummy, and Bremer became ineffective leaders and it was time to go. It is the natural order of things. Many people rise to levels of upper leadership and not always due to their own control, become the fall guys for others failings or for system failings. That goes with the territory. I think most people who do this for a living understand that. I doubt any of them are hidding in some kind of disgrace you want to apply to them. In fact, I bet they are doing quite well. In a very short time I will bet we will see a turn about in similar circumstances. If anyone was ever disgraced in office I would say it was Clinton when he was impeached by Congress, that had to be a tough day for him and his family. His legacy will always include stories about a Blue Dress and a young girl named Monica. Too bad because I think he did more than that. But that is history. When and if the Dems take office in 08 we will see the same thing happen again, only this time with different names and different faces.

History indeed. It will be interesting to view the legacy of Bush and his crew. Funny you bring up Clinton! Lying about a blowjob seems like such small potatoes, now.

When I hear discussions of impeachment these days, its usually referenced closer to Nixon's abuses of power and politicization. Nixon's disgrace will always include stories of his direction of crooked activity, lies and unconstitutional power grabbing, overshadowing any other positives of his terms. And again, now they seem rather quaint.

If our medal of freedom honorees are just innocent the "fall guys", their failures just the natural order, is that really worthy of this highest civilian honor or yet another example of politicization, to the point where the thing loses all meaning in the cynicism?

I believe that it (medal of freedom or what ever it is called) lost it's luster years ago. It is the best that the US can do short of knighthood, something we don't have. Pick a president, they all have had significant failings.

Right on the mark. Lobbying, speaking tours, book deals, corporate perks for their influence with their unindicted co-conspirators.

Quite well indeed. There may not be honor among thieves, but there are plenty of honorariums.

Heck, Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy became popular radio hosts, and their claims to fame were helping Republican Presidents commit crimes.

Ollie North ran for office in Virginia, which he was entitled to do since he was not a convicted felon.

He can buy a gun, too.

Cool.

I have to admit...Liddy does crack me up. Its like he was called up from central casting. Kind of a Colonel Flagg....

HM, bleeding money from one set of totalitarians in order to overthrow another set of totalitarians hardly amounts to criminality. To call it so shows just what's wrong with your kind of thinking -- it's so morally confused it prefers to do favors for despots rather than work to their destruction and/or removal and their replacement by democracies, which are better behaved as history shows. Since when has "being nice to despots, that maybe they won't hurt us" ever brought success, peace, or indeed anything worth having? When you pay the Danegeld, do you get rid of the Dane? Republican Presidents, incidentally, are as far from despots as you're likely to get, at least in this day and age. Republican Presidents have this habit of crossing despots up, sometimes in the grand manner: Bush took down two despotisms in the same year, Reagan walked out of the Rejkjavik summit rather than accept Gorbachev's con-job, leaving Gorby to instead actually try and do something on his nation's own resources which were inadequate to keep the Soviet system and structure intact and effectual in foreign policy -- the Republican record in the past twenty-five years, if not the past fifty, is really rather reassuring. The Democrats -- well, they disappoint. They've not taken down a despotism since Truman. They've started wars, and haven't won a one of them, they prescribe socialist nostrums to fix things they say are broken, or they get kicked around by Soviets who assert themselves in foreign policy, leaving the likes of Jimmy Carter wondering what happened.

Some of this is no doubt due to this being the nuclear age: certain styles of warmaking have indeed fallen out of fashion. The Republican Presidents, however, seem better at succeeding at these constrained wars than the Democratic ones.

Remember, a political agenda can easily rewrite history. Gorbechev's con job? He was offering to end the cold war. But then wacko extremists would do anything to restart that war. And so we have Putin's candid warnings.

Meanwhile, Urbane Guerrilla uses his political agenda to rewrite history. What happened to Hati's Baby Doc Duvalier and Serbia's Slobodan Milosevic? Amazing that they were not taken down because Clinton did it. We must rewrite history.

Amazing that a Democrat could accomplish same thing without physical invasions. Instead a Democrat talked both dictators out of power. Clearly Clinton must be evil because he did not kill people. Instead a Democrat talked both solutions.

If UG had a grasp of reality, then he would have done what he posted he would do on 9 Nov 2006 and again on 10 Feb 2007. Then UG discovered Barnett's book was about military reality; not about a wacko extremist political agendas where big guns solve all problems.

Urbane Guerrilla is caught and exposed rewriting history for a political agenda. But perverting history is what extremists do. No wonder extremists love what Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson preach.

BTW, after Urbane Guerrilla was caught having blamed Saddam for 11 September, notice UG then went quiet. Extremists will do anything to avoid reality. Going quiet was his only option.

UG – when are you going to discuss that Thomas Barnett book that shows why “Mission Accomplished” is a military defeat thank’s to George Jr and his cast of wackos. Why do you remain so silent? Why does your political agenda repeatedly clash with reality?

If you're talking about Iran-Contra, then you are justifying 'selling arms to an enemy' as 'bleeding money from one set of totalitarians'. Wow, is that the same thing as 'advancing to the rear'?

Again, if your first comment is in support of Iran-Contra, which was the ultimate 'Danegeld (ransom)', then your second comment on the dangers of such is remarkably inconsistent.

I am genuinely confused here. Was your first comment really in support of Iran-Contra?

BTW, I hope the shelf life of a TOW missile is less than 20 years or that Iran expended all of them against Iraq, or if we do invade Iran our troops will be on the receiving end of US-made weapons.


From Iran-Contra at Wikipedia

Bah, not to worry... they used up all those tow missiles water skiing.

It does if the method you use is against the law. Which it was. Hence the shredded documents, the amnesiac testimony, the 5th-amendment-immunity testimony, the convictions, and the pardons.

And the chick with the document padded bra. What was her name, Hall?

Guys, the Contras still won -- and we helped. This made a better Nicaragua, and it's still a better Nicaragua twenty years later. Is breaking laws written to keep us helpless at foreign policy actually a bad thing? I suppose it depends on what set of laws you think might be the highest. And how willing you are to get in trouble by one set while adhering to another.

Recall there was blatant and chronic Marxist-supporting going on in Congress at the time, and they passed Marxist-nasty-regime-supporting legislation. Senator Kerry was a committed partisan of the Marxists then, as his voting record irrefutably shows.

It is a better place today. We can't play the "what if?" history game, but these interventions bite us on the ass as often as they work out. Interesting aside ex-Sandinista Daniel Ortega is the President these days. Did we help more than we hurt? Maybe, but we did lose credibility with the under-class. It is a beautiful place, maybe American tourist dollars will soften hearts.

Fascist scholar and Iran Contra playa Michael Ledeen's slippery slimey name has come up with speculation around the Niger forgeries out of Italy....

So by you it's likely even odds. I think I'd take them, if it were up to me. After all, I'm the libertarian here who wants to see this kind of social philosphy spread around generally -- internationally -- to free up economies made stagnant.

Tw hasn't traced stagnant Communist economies to their top management, has he? :cool:

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Pssstttt..... tw, this ain't about UG. :lol: :D :D :D :D

Bruce, that is funny as hell. I need to get one of those.

From Voice of America:

Whew, that's a relief. For a second there, I felt my confidence waver. But I'm all better now!

Big deal. What else is new? I bet ole Dick has one big assed shreder in his office. They will stonewall til we have Regime Change in '09 and then there will be a new cabal in office. And the beat goes on....

Meanwhile, I kinda like that bumper sticker.

Also meanwhile, tw doesn't seem to be tracing stagnant Communist economies' problems to their top etcetera. (I believe this thread was the first time I mentioned that.) Less than impartial, this tw. No wonder I find so little in him to like.

Me too. I'd like to know where to get one. I can make my own, but it wouldn't look as good.

Here's where you can get one.

Actually, it should be red, white, and blue.

This is better, but $4.50 ($5.25 w/ shipping) for a bumper sticker?:eek::mad:. I don't care if it's printed on real gold foil, it's too much.

icasulaties.org.

I found this while doing the bumper sticker search.

'Self-inflicted' means suicide or accident. Are these part of the 3578 listed KIA or are they kept separate?

It is my impression that they are included in all totals.

We can broaden this topic this to further (beyond the memory loss of Gonzales and co.) to perverting justice for politics.
Scooter scoots! Like you thought he would actually do some time...highest white house official convicted in 130 years, 2 1/2 year sentence by Bush appointed judge, far less than the 25 years he could have gotten. But jail would be too extreme for this delicate flower of the ruling class. (let's ask Judy Miller after her 85 days)
I'm waiting for the full pardon (you know its coming) for the "minor" offense of obstructing a federal investigation into just the leaking of classified national security info...looks like he was blocking not just for Dick, Karl but for George, too. And justice for all, eh? nah.

Yawn... BFD.

At least he did not Pardon him... DAMM! How about all those Cocaine felons? Did they supply all his blow? And what is up with the Medicare Fraud dudes? And what no explaination next to MARK RICH???? WTF? Susan McDougal? Did he like Pot dealers or what? Did he then protect the people who washed the money for the drug dealers? Sure are a bunch of Fraud charges on there... Watch out for those stone heading for your glass house... might break a window.

On the other hand, Cliton Pardoned:

ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States

ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine

ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering

ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion

ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud

AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud

BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana

BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks

BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act

BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion

BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine

BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery

BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback

BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback

BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank

BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury

BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud

BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud

BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana

BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud

CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps

CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote

CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration

CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy

CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud

CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud

CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens

CISNEROS, Henry G.

CLINTON, Roger

COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options
2. Illegal sale of silver options

COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government

COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements

CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee

CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting

DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information

DOUGLAS, Richard False statements

DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud

DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements

DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer

FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return

FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana

FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements

FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding

GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud

GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment

GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks

GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute

HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property

HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property

HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute

2. Conspiracy to import cocaine

HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering

HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud

HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine

JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval

JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud

JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director

JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States

LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud

LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee

LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations

LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion

LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine

LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm

MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance

MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return

MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion

MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service

MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act

McDOUGAL, Susan H.

MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968

2. Failure to appear

3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport

MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms

MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud

NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally

OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine

OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine

OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return

PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements

PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud

PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud

PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction

POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting

PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol

PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave

PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling

RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States

RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone

REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States

RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration

RICH, Marc Switzerland

RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)

RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute

ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony

RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee

ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana

ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine

RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury

RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury

RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute

SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine

SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges

SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud

SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony

SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence

2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions

3. Unauthorized absence

SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery

SMITH, Stephen A.

SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes

STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail

STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine

SYMINGTON, John Fife, III

TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade

TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program

THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee

TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act

TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee

VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine

VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee

WADE, Christopher V.

WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence

WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service

WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee

WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm

WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner

WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents

WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine

WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud

WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use

WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud

WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine

WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission

WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud

YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud

YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury

YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle

YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife

Yes, Dorothy, Clinton pardoned his many cronies, too. What's new here is the governmental level of the federal crime.

I think Scooter deserved a little jail time for his convictions. I think its a travesty whenever justice is perverted. This time, the crime residing in the executive branch, during war time and related to the leaking of national intelligence is a bit more alarming, at least to me.

But that must not concern you. BFD.
(Oh, let's remember to roll Bush's list of pardons as he scoots out of office, shall we?! Goodie!)

Marc Rich's attorney: Scooter Libby

Yea, really, it is BFD to me. None of them are any different from the others. We traded one King for another. Do you realize that that if Ms. Cliton is elected we will have had two families completely control the US government for the last and next 24 years in total?

Damm! I did not know that.:eek:

While the White House press corps were visibly after Libby's blood about this and evincing a somewhat petulant frustration at not getting any in the press meeting with John Snow today, a quarter million in fines is hardly the "small amount" one of them called it.

I'd say the ones who can use a phrase like that on money like that are the ones with at least four times that in their savings account. It's pretty silly coming from someone without.

Libby'll get his money back making a speech or two for the AEI.

Fund raisers were already in progress to easily raise that money. Later George Jr will pardon him completely so that he can practice as a lawyer - perform just like Ken Starr. George Jr would not answer the question. Libby's pardon is already planned. Too many even in The Cellar demonstrate their approval by so much silence.

Wacko extremists want laws enforced when it conforms to their political agenda. Laws endorsed for the purpose of those laws - that would only harm their political agenda. Libby need not have those fines pardoned since extremist will easily raise that money. Even Urban Guerrilla would cheerfully contribute.

When the Saudi ambassador arrived at the White House and accidentally left a brief case with $1 million, do you think anyone in this administration called to return that $million? More money to cover trivial fines.

Libby was openly working to pervert America's government in the tradition of Nixon. Since that is a good thing, then we will pardon him.

First Energy had a nuclear reactor with a potential Three Mile Island failure. Other two reactors with the same problem shutdown immediately. But First Energy ran a $450,000 campaign fund raiser for Bush Cheney. Suddenly only First Energy’s reactor is exempt from that emergency shutdown and repair for almost six months. And this is good – for extremists who believe laws should first serve the party – not the principles of America.

Of course extremists will scream “Lincoln Bedroom”. Screw the scumbags in Toledo. They are expendable for the glory of extremists in the Republican party. Libby’s fines have already been taken care of. Working for the party at the expense of America has benefits not available to honest people. Urbane Guerrilla especially approves of this double standard. Notice how people just like Urbane Guerrilla will not even admit that Libby was a crook.

Notice the same people - like Urbane Guerrilla - absolutely refuse to acknowledge (let alone ask) a question that only patriots would ask. When do we go after bin Laden?

Well, when we're approving of what tw disapproves of, we're supporting the Republic -- something tw has never to my understanding ever been caught doing.

And yeah: Libby obstructed justice, which is a crook's doings. (Tw never gets just how unlike him I am. Being tw, he cannot.)

P.S.: For "John Snow" read "Tony Snow." Sigh...

Silence? What is there to say TW? Bush is disgusting... this is just another to add to the list and not nearly a new low, just more of the same ol' shit.

Well said.

Oh really!? Got proof of that act?

HA!

I've heard that as well (Saudi Arabia briefcase thing), I forgot where I heard it from though (probably tw...).

Urban myth my friend. No one would have such proof. Think about it.

TheMercenary obfuscates the point again because reality is so contrary to a political agenda. Would George Jr send that briefcase back? When did he get so honest? They even exempted a nuclear reactor with a potential Three Mile Island failure - that was later found to also have a hole in its containment dome - to operate for months in exchange for $450,000 of campaign bribes. When did the mental midget's administration get honest? About the same time he said we would get bin Laden?

Says so much the difference between what is posted and what TheMercenary see. Do we deal with reality - or believe the clearly mythical political agenda about an honest George Jr administration. Valerie Plame - a major intelligence operative in the CIA? Expendable when a political agenda is at risk. A briefcase with $1million. Not even a second thought what to do with that money.

Meanwhile Libby had no problem immediately writing a check for his quarter million dollar fine. Spare change? What happened to the $billion in cash that disappeared in Iraq ... without accounting. And that too is not impeachable?

But TheMercenary insists George Jr and Cheney are honest men if court transcripts are not provided. It's called a political agenda.

Monica Lewinsky is a major crime. What's a lost $billion in cash? Just an honest political agenda.

So when do we go after bin Laden? Says so much about the honesty of George Jr AND the patrioitism of George Jr's supporters who also fear that answer. Urban myth is that George Jr is honest. Urban myth that George Jr supporters can be patriotic and still be honest.

Let us know when you actually have something of substance to contribute other than that crap you just spewed forth. Still no proof of a briedcase with money in it. Nice try at the duck and weave, you failed in defending your position again.:D

Yep, no proof of the briefcase thing. Tw prostitutes (not prostrates, nor prostates) himself before his anti-American fane of lies... not again, but still. That the best you can do, tw?

There's a word for political extremists of tw's stripe, and that word is slut.