I think that %100 of Democrats would agree that the average soldier serving in Iraq is smarter than his or her Commander-in-Chief.:thumb:

Of course they're in a free fire zone and he's in the Oval Office, but that says more about the stupidity of the average voter than the intelligence of our soldiers.

Exactly!

This LA Times Opinion piece explains how the military is smart
Then, who doesn't serve at all? Upper middle class and elites:
The upper middle class and elites maintain Vietnam-era notions about the military. Why?

Kerry said pretty much exactly that.

I wish he had responded to the pseudoscandals during the election as well as he has handled this one.

Kerry's been saying the same thing since Vietnam. I don't have the quote handy, but he said in 1972 that, essentially, "a volunteer army would be made mostly of brown people, black people, and the disenfranchised". He thinks very little of the people in the armed forces, and always has, even when he was one. He spent all of his political career apologizing for being in the military, except when he needed the military vote.

He hasn't handled this with any more than C grade political aplomb; he's just lucky enough to have a fanbase who are willing to take any excuse he gives as long as it doesn't damage the effort of Democrats to regain power.

Kerry is a tool, irrespective of the toolishness of any Republican.

You understand, they had to go back to 1972 to find something he said that resembled the isolated quote.

I think in 1972 I said something about bollards being unsafe.

I just "heard" Howard Dean on my computer's speakers, which are hooked into my TV. He was on the Jim Lerher News Hour. I was not paying attention, so I didn't realize to whom I was listening. Then I started listening; the guy sounded reasonable, smart, articulate, and intelligent. Damn. Was it really "the scream," or was it the comment about the bumper sticker? I'll take him over Kerry any day.

What was the bumper sticker comment?

And yes, Dean was the best option by far in the last election.

Howard Dean may have a virtue or two hidden away in there somewhere -- but I doubt "keeping the Republic" numbers among them. I don't trust the man, and the entire senior leadership of the Democratic Party has forfeited my confidence for fifteen years plus, now.

The only senior, nationally known Democrat with any sense at all that I could recognize is Joseph Lieberman.

Heh, that figures.


On a different note, Dean losing the primary did have a silver lining. He has gone a long way towards fixing what was wrong with Democratic campaign strategy at the national level. Without his 50 state strategy, the chances that the Democrats would take over 30 seats in the House would have been slim to none.

The previous strategy of only funding candidates and local party organizations if chances were good allowed attitudes like UG's to grow unchecked, with the Republicans defining the Democrats in every local election. A vocal Democrat in every race may not always win (or may almost never win in some areas) but they can help attract more Democratic votes for statewide and national races, insert the real Democratic view into the debate, and allow Democrats to take advantage when the Republicans implode as spectacularly as they have this time around.

What I don't understand is not how everyone jump on him for leaving Bush's pronoun out of this joke... but people forgive Bush's every damn sentence?

Well, it's not Bush's pronoun, it's Kerry's. But according to him (and his fans) it's everybody else's fault for being too dumb to realize he made a mistake he was too dumb not to make.

I don't think that is accurate.

Monkey, the short answer, and the only one I feel like giving, is that the "real Democratic view" isn't worth holding.

The very last Democratic candidate I was wholly in favor of was Lyndon Baines Johnson.

I was in the third grade.

Furthermore, Sen. Kerry has worked very publicly in the interest of America's foes, whomever they be, all his political life. This latest utterance is no aberration, it is the man's core. If any of America's enemies seek at least a bit of comfort, they should apply to Mr. Kerry. What a fuckin' scrub.

Well it looks like Mr. UG was actually half-smart once... In the third grade.

Poor UG...

No, it is. But you aren't worth convincing.

He said once before he had set his opinions and course in life by the time he was 10 years old. That's why he thinks and acts like a 10 year old. :rolleyes:

It is not, and I am.

If you actually possessed some of the superiority you're claiming, you wouldn't try and fob things off with an excuse. You are, I believe, now fairly well acquainted with me and my views. How might you go about convincing a skeptic?

You, my friend, are not only a liar, you are lazy also. Now meet my challenge or do like tw does, and run.

If yours is the best available example of the Democratic argument, a whole passel of you could stand some enlightenment.

Bruce, I'll have to fault you for your reading comprehension. I do recall saying I wasn't fooled by Communist propaganda the way people twice my age clearly were, at circa 10 years of age, yes.

I think more flexibly than you do, Bruce, for I can recognize and acknowledge you when you get something right, such as the gun issue, where we are on the same side of the divide. This is thinking like a 10-year-old? Bruce, oh dear.:rolleyes:

I keep telling you there is no divide....no black and white. Every issue has multiple points of view.....10 year olds don't understand that. :rolleyes:

That's just it. You're not a skeptic. You're a believer. You believe you're right and all others are wrong. There's no convincing you.

There have been numerous, countless posts that contribute to persuading someone who has an open mind, but that's not you. You're not interested in learning anything. Your mind is closed. There is no teaching you.

I came to this conclusion long ago:
Really long ago.

I've finally realized that UG is a brilliant humorist. Bravo. Republicans for the Republic, indeed, you are a card!

That said, some of us who actually do like the idea of a republic are not comfortable with much of the senior Democratic leadership, so don't take your joke too far and give them too much credit, people can get confused.

If your ideas, and others I've rejected in this forum, were actually good enough to persuade me they were not shoddy goods intellectually, then I'd be interested in learning them. Until then, what is there to do?

To teach me, show me wisdom. There's not been enough of that.

I have strength enough to hold ideas that are unpopular with you.

You mean show you right-wing, prejudiced, eyes-closed garbage?

Ibram, go outside and play some hoops or something, okay? You're being tedious and immature.

God, you're a dick. Is this an alter ego?

Ibram's a bright kid, and I value him for his intelligence. But when he tries to bait me, I remind him that he's not in my weight class -- though he has every chance of developing that far assuming he doesn't fall under the wheels of a bus.

He can't bait me, but he can bore me.

I have no interest in 'baiting' you, only making fun of and/or insulting you, which is fast becoming boring and far too easy.

now now kids. lol

Maybe we should all just bow down and recognise the intellectual giant that is Urbane Guerilla.

John Kerry tells jokes
Q: How many blondes does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 10, but 15 if the blondes are some of our nation's farmers.
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Knock Knock!
Who's There?
Interrupting Politician who accidentally insults constituents!
Interrupting Politician who accidentally insults const—
SENIOR CITIZENS ARE LAZY!
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Last night I had this dream that I was eating a giant marshmallow and when I woke up, my pillow was gone! I'm thinking it was probably stolen by a WWII veteran and sold for drugs.
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A priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar. The bartender looks at them and says, “Get out. God is dead and religion is the opiate of the masses.”
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Q: How do you know an elephant's been in your refrigerator?
A: By the footprints in the ashes of 911 victims.
I mean, 911 victims' pizza.
Wait a second. Just pizza.
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Q: What do you get when you cross a teacher with a vampire?
A: A teacher who gives blood tests, but remains employed due to the strength of corrupt unions.
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Take my wife, please. Seriously, women are useless.
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Three men are stranded on an island when they find an old lamp and rub it. Suddenly, a genie appears and offers to grant them each one wish. The first man wishes to be off the island and, poof, he's gone. The second man wishes to be off the island, and poof, he's gone. The third man says, “Gee, I'm really lonely. I wish the Jews wouldn't start all the wars in the world.”
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A waiter brings a restaurant patron a bowl of soup. The patron notices a fly and says, “Hey, there's a fly in my soup.” The waiter replies, “Yes. Unfortunately our chef is Latino.”
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Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: To head into the army recruiting office so he could fight in Iraq.
Oh, wait. I told that wrong. I forgot to say the chicken was retarded.
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It's pretty clear that Kerry was wise not to become a comedienne, 'cause he sucks at it.
Sticking to being a compassionate human is his forte. :D

Making John Forbes Kerry into a comedienne would take a lot of expensive work.

Get thee to a dictionary; go. This was even worse thought out than that post of yours about how you can hold every communist opinion that ever was, push every communist take on anything that ever was, and still not be a communist.

Not exactly up to your best potential intellectually, and snotty doesn't impress except as proof of not being mature. You need reminding that you want to look smart on this forum, and having wisdom is good too. Again, it is not within your power to bait me, though it is within your power to bore me.

So what're you doing answering him UG? ;)

Yawn.

Like I said, fast growing boring.

Quick, over there! Another liberal conspiracy! Go yell at them so I can laugh at you some more.

Tsk tsk, it's a communist conspiracy, not a liberal one; haven't you learned anything Ibram?

Honestly I'd like to see UG paint the whole canvas if you will. The whole story (in a nutshell) with legitmate links to show why he believes the way he does.

Light weight?
Waiting tables?
10 pounds of sand pounded up your ass?

lol...poor UG. They're making fun of you now.

Spexx, I've already taken your measure, and found you ill-equipped to duel with me: persons ignorant of guns, of gun control and its necessity to later genocides, get sandbagged with those ten pounds, and continually.

And this is your idea of an appropriate reaction to getting schooled? You emotionally immature bitch of a leftist, you -- something not unheard of among the left, for it seems to require a certain immaturity to stay Left. Take your resentments, spindle them, and insert them, as I've less time for them than you, busymouth. Take your lesson, too, whiner, and shut the hell up. I'm here to make you a better human being, as your current condition doesn't show much to recommend it. I do not do what you are doing.

Which will cause me to stay interested in your condition, truth to tell.:eyebrow:

Flint: needs a full beard, grizzled in large vertical stripes, and a longer mustache, sufficient for waxing a la George V. In fact he needs to look more English and less Italian. :D Oh, and sleeves on the T-shirt, which I'm not wearing just now as the room's oddly warm and I'm living through the getting-over-a-cold ickies -- that unpleasant sweat when you do anything, like stand up.

I'm a good sport.

My yawns are more articulate than his. He doesn't like it, but I beat him on experience, having more of it than he. Really, the very materially worst things I've ever done to the poor kid has been to say "solecism," and to tell him that if he really knew all there was to know about communism and communist propaganda, he'd've spotted tw for a communist before I did. Right about then, he decided he'd try making me feel bad by getting nasty. Fat chance of that.

Jeb, I'm not all that much on linking, to be sure, though there is some from time to time. For an overall picture of the essential Guerrilla, try searching up every single post I've written. The bulk of it is there, if not in great concentration. Or you can PM me if you like, I have no problem with corresponding. (Can't remember if my email's up to date or not.)

I have a martial-arts background, I shoot a little and politick a lot, I reckon too much government is bad for just about everyone, I've read most of what Robert A. Heinlein wrote, was converted to political Libertarianism by reading Murray Rothbard (and concluded immediately that libertarian thinking might cure a lot of what ails the sicker, poorer nations of Latin America) though I don't share his touching faith in anarchy as the Solution to It All, and since our foes in the present war are thoroughgoing antidemocrats, we should cut their throats like chickens in a processing plant and make their carcasses into something useful, as the democratic cause is humanity's cause. That's the nutshell.

You realize that's Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, right? Anyway...
I figured you wouldn't take it the wrong way. You big internet-opinion-having guy, you.

Well, yeah, though I couldn't remember his name, as I'm not so sure ATHF is all that clever that I should stay up late to watch it -- Meatwad always kills my appetite, which I resent, grr. There's stuff like Cowboy Bebop around, after all.