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bluecuracao 07-17-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 364725)
I'd say Merc is right, but not for the reasons he thinks.
It's because of their apathy.

However, Merc wasn't referring to apathetic youth, quite the opposite by his own description:

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary
Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic
I dunno, indifference? I don't even know any of my friends who are registered.

Therein lies the problem with most young people who bitch, complain, protest, and have the loudest mouths on issues in our country today.

The contradiction didn't make sense at the time...

But now I see that apparently, Merc assumes that 'most young people who bitch, complain, protest, and have the loudest mouths on issues in our country today' are not registered to vote, just because he perceives a single young person who does not vote (fresh) to be a bitcher, complainer, etc.

So fresh, you must be the ambassador of 'most young people' who bitch, protest or whatever in our country. ;)

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 06:41 PM

He'll get no diplomatic immunity from Merc.

freshnesschronic 07-17-2007 07:01 PM

Wait, I want no part in this.
Hence, my indifference to voting.

Full circle, yay!

bluecuracao 07-17-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 365112)
He'll get no diplomatic immunity from Merc.

Even if he's the one who appointed him...

piercehawkeye45 07-17-2007 09:18 PM

A lot of people voted at UMN in 2006 but we were automatically registered and I don't know if IU has that.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 09:32 PM

The New Yorks Times digital archives first mention of Obama.
Quote:

The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School. The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii. “The fact that I’ve been elected shows a lot of progress,” Mr. Obama said today in an interview. “It’s encouraging.”
And we all know Kenya is better than Norway.

TheMercenary 07-18-2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 365112)
He'll get no diplomatic immunity from Merc.

No one gets immunity.

Squid_Operator 07-20-2007 04:44 PM

People may not like Bush, I certainly don't. But after his term is up we're all screwed.

Atleast we're not in a Socialist state rightnow.

DanaC 07-20-2007 04:45 PM

Hello Squid Operator. Welcome to the Cellar!

Squid_Operator 07-20-2007 04:47 PM

Hello, Dana.

yesman065 07-20-2007 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Squid_Operator (Post 366236)
But after his term is up we're all screwed.

Please explain your thoughts here - and hello/welcome.

Squid_Operator 07-20-2007 05:19 PM

I don't know how well any of the candidates are going to be able to keep us alive here in the US.

xoxoxoBruce 07-20-2007 05:50 PM

Are you really that paranoid? Do you think when Bush retires in regal splendor, the government will just pack up and go home leaving you to fight the terrorists naked?
Let me assure you the US Government, juggernaut that it is, will be chugging along when you and Bush are dust.

DanaC 07-20-2007 05:51 PM

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Are you really that paranoid? Do you think when Bush retires in regal splendor, the government will just pack up and go home leaving you to fight the terrorists naked?
What a fantastic image!

bluecuracao 07-20-2007 06:39 PM

You know what Squid looks like naked??

DanaC 07-20-2007 06:49 PM

Actually, if I'm honest in my mind's eye, it was UG, naked and fighting terrorists and undemocrats with his teeth.

deadbeater 07-20-2007 06:59 PM

If I'm president, this is what I do:

Jan 20, 2009, 1201 hours: After swearing in, tear up the inaugural address. Instead immediately order all the troops, all of them, to leave Iraq for the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

1202: Tell Musharraf that Pakistan has 6 hours to clean up the western border of al-Qaeda or America troops will.

1800: Have the troops target and destroy an al-Qaeda haven in Pakistan soil to show Pakistan America is not bluffing.

A candidate who proposes this will get my vote.

DanaC 07-20-2007 07:02 PM

Yeah. That's smart. It's hard to see what could possibly go wrong with that plan.

bluecuracao 07-20-2007 07:03 PM

So you're not voting, db? ;)

xoxoxoBruce 07-20-2007 07:29 PM

Why can't we get an interesting candidate like Ufuk Uras.

rkzenrage 07-20-2007 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deadbeater (Post 366324)
If I'm president, this is what I do:

Jan 20, 2009, 1201 hours: After swearing in, tear up the inaugural address. Instead immediately order all the troops, all of them, to leave Iraq for the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

1202: Tell Musharraf that Pakistan has 6 hours to clean up the western border of al-Qaeda or America troops will.

1800: Have the troops target and destroy an al-Qaeda haven in Pakistan soil to show Pakistan America is not bluffing.

A candidate who proposes this will get my vote.

This, and prosecuting BushCo. for their crimes, as well as restoring the Constitution and Bill of rights to their states before the idiots took office.

Squid_Operator 07-21-2007 04:14 AM

"You know what Squid looks like naked??"


Sorry man, that's only for the women.

bluecuracao 07-21-2007 04:23 AM

Um, I'm not a man.

Post pics here.

Squid_Operator 07-21-2007 04:34 AM

:( Sorry, I'm not used to a message board where there are no avatars to remember who's who.

richlevy 07-21-2007 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squid_Operator (Post 366236)
People may not like Bush, I certainly don't. But after his term is up we're all screwed.

Atleast we're not in a Socialist state rightnow.

We are not necessarily screwed. In terms of "Good Cop/Bad Cop", Bush was the worst of both worlds. He didn't know how to play "Good Cop" and basically sucked at "Bad Cop". Any of the top three candidates in either party will get a tremendous amount of goodwill by simply not being GWB, similar to the goodwill GWB received post-9/11. And whether they decide to play Good Cop. Bad Cop, or a combination, will definitely do better than Bush.

The can of whoopass unleashed on the GWB appointees in State, Justice, and Defense will be phenomenal. All presidents clean house to some degree. Everyone acknowledged that GWB technically had the right to fire all of the attorneys. Still, many administrations keep some individuals in place, if only to provide continuity.

In this case, I think even if a Republican wins there will be almost as much of a housecleaning as if Hillary had won.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-23-2007 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 366320)
Actually, if I'm honest in my mind's eye, it was UG, naked and fighting terrorists and undemocrats with his teeth.

Yep; pork 'em 'til they look like unicorns -- pink ones -- and squeal like a piggie, eee, eee.

I can definitely reduce some fatuity-mongers around here to squealing.

xoxoxoBruce 07-24-2007 10:54 PM

You overestimate your prowess, shorty.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-28-2007 12:26 AM

Try me.

xoxoxoBruce 07-28-2007 01:39 PM

You're on. Show us you can do what you've failed so miserably to do thus far. Make a unicorn, Merlin.

yesman065 07-28-2007 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 366289)
Are you really that paranoid? Do you think when Bush retires in regal splendor, the government will just pack up and go home leaving you to fight the terrorists naked?
Let me assure you the US Government, juggernaut that it is, will be chugging along when you and Bush are dust.

nah, they'll just leave the troops overseas to do it for them.

yesman065 08-22-2007 09:33 PM

So does anyone really believe in one particular candidate out there? and why?

lumberjim 08-22-2007 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065 (Post 377482)
So does anyone really believe in one particular candidate out there? and why?

those 2 words are in the same sentence.

Ibby 08-22-2007 10:10 PM

I'll make you a deal... like any other candidate
we'll pretend we're walking home cause our future's at stake
my set is amazing, it even smells like street
there's a bar at the end where i can meet you and your friends...

yesman065 08-22-2007 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 377500)
I'll make you a deal... like any other candidate
we'll pretend we're walking home cause our future's at stake
my set is amazing, it even smells like street
there's a bar at the end where i can meet you and your friends...

What the ____ is that supposed to mean?

Ibby 08-22-2007 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman065 (Post 377503)
What the ____ is that supposed to mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Bowie, Candidate (from Diamond Dogs)
I'll make you a deal, like any other candidate
We'll pretend we're walking home 'cause your future's at stake
My set is amazing, it even smells like a street
There's a bar at the end where I can meet you and your
friend
Someone scrawled on the wall "I smell the blood of les tricoteuses"
Who wrote up scandals in other bars

I'm having so much fun with the poisonous people
Spreading rumours and lies and stories they made up
Some make you sing and some make you scream
One makes you wish that you'd never been seen
But there's a shop on the corner that's selling papier
mache
Making bullet-proof faces, Charlie Manson, Cassius Clay
If you want it, boys, get it here, thing

So you scream out of line
"I want you! I need you! Anyone out there? Any time?"
Tres butch little number whines "Hey dirty, I want you
When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad I go to pieces"
If you want it, boys, get it here, thing

Well, on the street where you live I could not hold up my head
For I put all I have in another bed
On another floor, in the back of a car
In the cellar like a church with the door ajar
Well, I guess we've must be looking for a different kind
But we can't stop trying 'till we break up our minds
'Til the sun drips blood on the seedy young knights
Who press you on the ground while shaking in fright
I guess we could cruise down one more time
With you by my side, it should be fine
We'll buy some drugs and watch a band
Then jump in the river holding hands


yesman065 08-22-2007 10:50 PM

Ibby - what does that have to do with the thread or the question at hand?

lumberjim 08-22-2007 10:58 PM

the name of the song is 'candidate'?

yesman065 08-22-2007 11:01 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Soooo??????? Shall we all just post stuff about candidates or perhaps add something potentially meaningful - Aw what the hell...

piercehawkeye45 08-23-2007 08:03 AM

No. Will I ever believe in a candidate as long as I live, probably not.

smurfalicious 08-23-2007 09:00 AM

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...brosb4hoes.jpg

Urbane Guerrilla 08-24-2007 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 369010)
You're on. Show us you can do what you've failed so miserably to do thus far. Make a unicorn, Merlin.

Failed? Ho ho ho -- and just where is your response to my question to you in another thread: just why do you find my political ideas re the global body politic "repulsive?" I asked you why that was, and your silence echoed, and echoes now. I don't think you can tell me why, it's been so long. I'd say it's time for you to respond coherently. In fact, it's time for you to respond at all.

While it is clear that you do, you've made no attempt to explain to a democratic partisan why you do. Frankly, it's not at all obvious, nor self-evident why you should take an anti-democratic-advances point of view. You are not in any other sense a Fascist, large F or small, and you have some demonstrated regard for the fundamentals of human rights -- so why not support a chance at having a people no longer suffer bad government?

The thread I'm thinking of has run two more pages without you addressing this fundamental matter, raised in posts 55 and 56, one of mine and one of yours: Politics ad Absurdam, page 4.

xoxoxoBruce 08-24-2007 09:46 PM

Is it in yet, shorty?

Urbane Guerrilla 08-24-2007 09:58 PM

Talk about an utterly inadequate response! Go do something to your credit, Bruce! Only a kindergartener expects to get anywhere sticking his tongue out and flapping his hands with his thumbs in his ears.

xoxoxoBruce 08-24-2007 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 367314)
Yep; pork 'em 'til they look like unicorns -- pink ones -- and squeal like a piggie, eee, eee.

I can definitely reduce some fatuity-mongers around here to squealing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 368914)
Try me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 369010)
You're on. Show us you can do what you've failed so miserably to do thus far. Make a unicorn, Merlin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 378204)
Is it in yet, shorty?


Griff 08-25-2007 06:05 AM

Meanwhile back on the election trail, Guilianni endorses perpetual war.

xoxoxoBruce 08-25-2007 06:08 AM

Bad link.

Griff 08-25-2007 06:13 AM

Thanks Bruce. All fixy.

TheMercenary 08-26-2007 08:06 AM

Interesting to note how many blacks I have spoken with are just absolutely convinced that Obama is going to win the nomination and get into the White House. NPR did a great piece the other day how when polled many blacks, and a majority in some states, say they are most likely voting for Hillary Clinton.

yesman065 08-26-2007 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 378644)
Interesting to note how many blacks I have spoken with are just absolutely convinced that Obama is going to win the nomination and get into the White House. NPR did a great piece the other day how when polled many blacks, and a majority in some states, say they are most likely voting for Hillary Clinton.

I've not spoken top one person who is "absolutely convinced" of that. I have talked to many who would love that and are hopeful, but thats totally different.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-26-2007 11:20 PM

You know, Bruce, there are times when a signal-to-noise ratio gets too low. "Squealing like a piggie, eee, eee" is a fair example of not much signal and plenty noise. So are inadequate, childish responses like the above.

xoxoxoBruce 08-27-2007 02:36 AM

Yes, my fuhrer.









Yo Wolf, live one in post #110... better bring the jacket and dart gun.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-27-2007 10:50 PM

So when Bruce doesn't want to answer a "Why are you thinking that way again?" question, somehow I'm the one who's ... off? Sorry, Bruce: I can see you fudging.

Ibby 08-28-2007 12:42 AM

UG, I think just about everyone here, with the probable exception of Merc, agrees with Bruce here.

xoxoxoBruce 08-28-2007 04:10 AM

Merc, while definitely a backer of the military, is at least basically reasonable and rational. UG, on the other hand, wants to make men "squeal like a pig". Cue banjos.

Happy Monkey 09-17-2007 01:22 PM

I feel sorta bad for McCain. I think the last election broke him, after years as a POW didn't.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-18-2007 10:52 AM

Ibbie, if you're trying to evoke George Orwell's 1984, why not quote George directly? He did write out the false-logic sentence about whether majoritarianism determines right or wrong. I'm sure you can find it, mark, learn, and inwardly digest it.

The fatuous, Bruce, are in effect already just squealing, for all the worth their ideas have. Me, I just give pain to the stupid. The wise generally do not suffer.

Hey, this is handy: 1984 is an ebook. I'd have to give it more than the quick skim I gave it to find the thing I'm looking for, but that's where to look.

skysidhe 09-18-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 378316)
Meanwhile back on the election trail, Guilianni endorses perpetual war.

lol



...and yes Guilianni scares me.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 385982)
I feel sorta bad for McCain. I think the last election broke him, after years as a POW didn't.

I would have voted for him at the time but now he is but a shadow of what he portrayed before. He seems to be towing the party line and I hope this is strategy on his part.

Ibby 09-18-2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 386332)
Ibbie, if you're trying to evoke George Orwell's 1984, why not quote George directly? He did write out the false-logic sentence about whether majoritarianism determines right or wrong. I'm sure you can find it, mark, learn, and inwardly digest it.

The fatuous, Bruce, are in effect already just squealing, for all the worth their ideas have. Me, I just give pain to the stupid. The wise generally do not suffer.

Sanity is not statistical. I know it well.
But policy, within reasonable constitutional limits, should be statistical. Not to mention reasonable and rational. None of which has anything to do with your position.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-18-2007 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 386347)
Sanity is not statistical. I know it well.
But policy, within reasonable constitutional limits, should be statistical. Not to mention reasonable and rational. None of which has anything to do with your position.

And by you, what's rational?

I say that rational is "reduce the Gap." I think Thomas Barnett has that one right. This is exactly what the Bush Administration is trying to do, and what the Clinton Administration never saw how to do, nor, I suppose, that it should.

Flint 09-18-2007 12:25 PM

Please, get Barnett on here to argue with us.


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