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Closing Gitmo and moving them onto US soil are two VERY different situations and, I believe, have very different legal ramifications.

Hey! Where did that ^^^^ smiley come from?

That's strange, I tried the "quote" button, and the "edit" button, and the smilie doesn't show up in either.
It must be Jesus in shades!

someone must have slipped the cellar a lil some somethin'

You have to Edit and then Go Advanced and it's the Post Icon below the edit box.

Thanks, I must have hit it accidentally.

A twenty five minute discussion of a US military guard in Guantanamo and two of the first prisioners held there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p005trqp

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 629052)

The fact that it's taking so long shows they just aren't turning everybody loose for political gain. They are doing cautiously, and systematically, but most importantly, they're doing it... as promised.

Supposedly Saudi Arabia has a rehabilitation center for gitmo victims and it has a 80% rate of getting gitmo detainees to live normal lives again. But unfortunately, many of the 20% have started their own terrorist group, AQAP, and took responsibility for the Christmas Day bombing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Rehabilitation_Center

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 630556)

"getting gitmo detainees to live normal lives again."

define normal . . .

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 630567)

define normal . . .

Not blowing up people....

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/04/27/71553.html

Here's a PBS documentary video of the center
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/un...and-back/4180/

Newsnight did a really interesting piece about that last week.

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 630556)

There is proof enough we should have just shot them. Releasing them back into the wild is just begging for trouble.;)

Cause that would NEVER backfire.....

Not if you kill enough of them.

Not if you get two people to join the terrorist movement for every person you kill. But eh, you are looking for a reaction now.

Sure, it may work like that for awhile, but if we kill enough of them fast enough we should be ok. Especially if we get 'em while they are still really young. That way they can't grow up to be terrorists.

Actually if we just start killing all of them under the age of 2 we should be just fine. You can't even argue that would be wrong since they're not even really human at that age. ;)

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 630567)

define normal . . .

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 630568)

Not blowing up people...

Woo Hoo - I'm normal!!!!!!

@ Lookout: Mandatory abortions might do the trick.

Yeah, but some of them will undoubtedly hide their pregnancy. We have until they are 2.

bump ...

Constitutional attorney: Guantanamo ‘nearly impossible to close’ thanks to NDAA

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Even though President Barack Obama made closing Guantanamo one of his core campaign promises in the lead-up to the presidential election in 2008, that promise now appears to be “nearly impossible” to fulfill thanks to provisions in the new laws, Baher Azmy, legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, explained.

“It has no real geographical limitation, it has no temporal limitation,” he said, summarizing key provisions in the NDAA. “It basically puts into law, into permanent law, the ability to indefinitely detain, outside of a constitutional justice system, individuals the president picks up anywhere in the world that the president thinks might have some connection to terrorism. The United States Congress, with the support of the president, has now put into law the possibility of indefinite detention, where the entire world, including the United States, is a battlefield.”

“This legislation puts into law, into a legal architecture, authority for the president to do things that no president has ever been authorized to do before. It’s a scary day for civil liberties if we depend on the graces of the executive not to use power the Congress has given them.”

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