This one has my vote.

A rather interesting interview from a reporter from the Weekly Standard notes how Palin's political statements have changed now that only the extreme right is supporting her. As governor in AK, Palin had plenty of Democratic support because she was more moderate and was taking on real problems - such as renegotiating oil company contracts with the state.

Steve Schmidt (if that name is spelled correctly), from Cheney's office, somehow took over the McCain campaign after McCain took the Republican nomination. Somehow he eliminated McCain's VP preferences and got Palin on the ticket. Then (somehow) Palin was not saying what she was expected to say.

Palin's job was to be the attack dog - criticize Obama. But she kept 'going rogue'. Palin was not the right wing extremist they expected and wanted her to be. So Palin was kept closely controlled - could not even campaign for weeks without McCain at her side.

The irony is that Steve Schmitt and right wing staffers imported to McCain's campaign are now is a pissy hiss with their choice - Palin. Unfortunately for Palin, she cannot seem to get beyond this cat fight. Instead of attracting moderate Republicans, she is preaching more extremist rhetoric while conducting a 'hearsay accusations' fight with many of those same party extremists.

After reading the previous posts, and all of the mud stream media hatred for Sarah Palin, I can only come to one conclusion. Everyone who has views which are contrary to what the founding fathers were is as terrified of Sarah Palin as I am of Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Therefore, no matter what is said here, or MSNBC, I will support her. No apologies to my athiest communist anarchist friends.

I would like to protest on behalf of prokaryotes.

I'll see your prokaryote and raise you two eukaryotes. ;)

OOOOH! I've never been called an athiest communist anarchist before. May I quote you?

You just did.

I feel a sudden surge of user titles coming on,

Yes, except for Quayle, the major party's choices of candidates were people that you might note vote for, but you didn't have to worry about them causing an Apocalypse.

The Republican Oprah.

No surprise there.

Quitters Never Prosper
 

"I've been told?!" She couldn't hear the shouting from inside her fancy bus? She refused to look out a window?

Ms. Palin's "quitting early" stunt last night kinda reminds me of something else she did not long ago...

:rolleyes:

I find it tough to hold her personally responsible for this gaffe, because I doubt she's in charge.
This tour is like a campaign, organized by the publisher, with a group of handlers, and a whole lot of logistics to coordinate. I'll bet Palin is busy jumping through hoops, in this dog & pony show, and could have been completely unaware of what was happening in Noblesville.

I've been told that yesterday there were supporters in Noblesville who stood in long lines for hours in the cold and rain, and the book signing event ended without a chance to say hello to everyone who showed up. I am so sorry. We are working on a solution for those who were left behind.

Interesting language choice...

You suspect she signed the books of the right behind, and not those left behind? :lol:

Actually I was thinking about the second favorite book for Palinists.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...hL._SL500_.jpg

Cold. :haha:

As in ... no child left behind?

As in "Christian" end-timers.

there's an art gallery at the end of my street (I know, hard to believe) with a current show of sculpture three-D stuff. One of the winners is titled "Sarah Palin as Kali" and it's fooking hilarious. Wish I knew how to post a pic....I'll try to find....BTW, it's the Rosewood Arts Gallery, Kettering, OHIO. HWD is the name of the show.

eta_ nope, can't find a pic. was really cute. she had an AK in one hand, a spear in the other, a couple shields in other hands...you get the picture.

To simplify the previous post. From that Weekly Standard reporter who knew Palin before she was selected. She did not represent your extreme right wing politics. She is now preaching that party line because those are her only supporters. She is learning how to be political - less honest. We know who Palin was before she was selected by Steve Schmitt - a right wing extremist. Even her book discusses the right wingers accusing her of going rogue. She had a bad habit of saying what she believed; not the campaign rhetoric. Why would you support her because she is learning how to be more political? Spinning a political line that is more extremist because that is where her only political support lies.

They also need to separate themselves from the Christian Right. The stench of theocracy puts off a lot of us middle of the roaders who would otherwise be able to consider a Republican.

Another "real American" star has waded into the sarah-fest:
We missed ya, Joe. Keep it up!

Amen, the Christian Right is a bigger danger to us/US than all the Islamic countries put together.

Ahhh, "UnAmerican". The criticism you use when you don't have a coherent criticism. UnAustralian works almost as well, but we get to use "Anti-American" too.

:lol:

Sort of like Pelosi calling Americans she disagrees with Nazi's?

Please explain how it is in any way similar.

If Joe believes Obama's ideology is "unAmerican" that must make Joe a better American than Obama supporters who share that ideology.

It really isnt that easy to run away from your ignorant and offensive Pelosi/Nazi characterization.. one that you appear to take great pride in.

If Pelosi thinks that Americans who don't support her views and are willing to stand up and say so in public are Nazi's it is the same thing.

Does it bother you that I like to call Pelosi a Nazi?:p

I'm going to have to photoshop a picture of her in an SS uniform just for you. :D

Nope...it doesnt bother me that you come across as ignorant when you gloat and make that type of characterization.

You do that, Merc....very mature.

Actually I pride myself on pointing out how you Dems are no different from the Republickins.

Nah. More like GW Bush and Donny Rumsfeld calling Americans they disagree with Nazi appeasers.

Sounds like a name calling fest with both sides pointing fingers. :fumette:The Demoncrats in power in Congress are as much Nazi's as the Republickins who were last in power. I wouldn't piss on Pelosi or Bush if they were copulating and on fire.:vomitblu::greenface

Uh...the only Cellarate repeatedly playing the Nazi card is you, Merc.

Perhaps, but did you notice who frist brought Pelosi/Nazis into this discussion about Sarah Palin? Godwin's Law, dude. You lose.

I completely disagree - there are no Nazis in Congress, nor in the White House. It appears you are using a definition of Nazi that is markedly different than mine.

Actually I believe Pelosi did. :D

Whatever you say, Merc.

Its there for all to see and I wont be surprised if we see it again.

I can promise you that! :D :thumb: :fumette:

Speaking of Nazis, Merc, put that bloody apostrophe back where you found it. Grrrr. ;)

:D

Now she thinks she's royalty.

Time to reiterate:

Sarah Palin; what a cunt.

Same for Pelosi...:) What a fucking cunt.

That's why I like this place - all the pithy insights. :rolleyes:

Ahh... Life is filled with diverse views on many subjects. It is what makes this place so grand.

Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one but that doesn't mean we want to see yours.

(not aimed at anyone in particular there).

Well to be honest I can't stand Palin either. I just think turnabout is fair play. I subscribe to none of them. Really. It is all a bore.

The lithping too.

Given a choice between Obama and Palin -- I'd take the one who isn't at all a socialist. Which lets out every Democrat leftwards of Joe Lieberman.

Many wish she would just go away, including a lot of conservatives who agree she's just a nutjob.

Yeah, and I wish she'd keep that daughter of hers off the net, too. ;)

Y'know, Classic, I am not very impressed with those. Assorted people, some of them really pretty goddam grubby, run about clanging the cowbells chanting "Palin is a nutjob, Palin is a nutjob," but I just don't see it. It looks much more to me like a cultural clash between stuffy Northeasterners and the necessarily rugged and frontiersy Alaskan than any question of even eccentricity, to say nothing of mental health.

Y'know, people were saying things like "Don't look at her personal life, just her policies". That is not an absolute. The one question I had for her was "Now that you know from personal experience that good teenage girls from good families have sex, have you changed your view on only funding abstinence only education?"

She could say she hasn't and keep her base.
She could say she has which would show the ability to learn from experience and change.

She would probably dodge the question and attack the questioner.

Or just listen for keywords and recite the appropriate talking point.

Yeah because pure right wing ideology creates a perfect government, just ask any nation that has had a fascist in power. Like Germany.

It must be really fun to live in SoCal. People hardly ever run around here clanging cowbells. And when they do, they never bother to chant.

Sorry, but I absolutely had to do it.

Oh really? Have you never ever, not once in your life or your education, ever EVER run across the term "Beefsteak Nazi," nor heard the quip that "Nazism went so far right that it met Communism coming around the other way"?

Fascism is just as leftist as Communism -- both are about government ownership of the means of production, both push the "collective," both expected to create, by legislative fiat yet, a "new class/sort of man," which was expected to be a large improvement over the regular variety, and both had the essential characteristic of the left wing: that a very large, omnipotent, omnicompetent State should run every least aspect of everyone's life. Thus, an immediate tropism to large-scale POWER is evident in both. Leftists really want power, and a lot more than conservatives do.

MTP, mistaking conservative ideas for fascistic ones (Might you be doing that, do you think? -- any risk of it? Can you spot any differences?) is simply lazy -- and exactly the deception the perfidious, dissembling, aggrandized-state Left wishes you to labor under. Ignorance Is Strength? Read that one somewhere? More precisely, your ignorance is their strength. Is that how you want it? If you wish to remain deceived or to remain lazy, then continue in your present view. But could I take you seriously as a thinker until you discontinue this received unwisdom and strike out on your own, with a searching mind? I for one find the ultrastatists' blandishments less and less attractive. I have better values than that. (They hate that.)

I'm not pulling this out of the air; it's von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, who was smarter than you and me both together. At any rate, not a philosopher to sneeze at, for all his sentimental fondness for the house of Habsburg and the throne of Austria-Hungary. He clearly thought with Austria-Hungary gone belly-up that Europe began its long slide downhill. Perhaps this had something to do with most of its former territories falling behind the Iron Curtain.

Danggggg... that's just... well, it's terrible.

"We will fight for Bovine freedom,
And hold our large heads high
We will run free with the buffalo
Or die...
Cows With Guns!"

The extreme left and right are equally evil and disgusting. You're an extremist. Wouldn't matter if you were left or right.

You're wrong about me. No surprise there.

How am I wrong? You wrote a certain thing, a certain way. This is the product of your mind and what is in it. Thus, I see and understand you, and have some insight behind the words.

The point I am trying to make here is that the extreme left and the extreme right are not actually distinguishable, and calling me an extremist here is simply wrong and lazy -- therefore, I conclude you haven't any experience at all of conservative -- not radical -- thinking. Not exactly a rare condition.

What's keeping you reticent is you know how difficult it is to try and defend leftist-type beliefs around someone like me, who has a pretty clear idea what ideas are worth keeping, and what is wrong with the ideas that aren't. This is hardly extremism, merely sense. Certain valueless goobers would go, "Oh, he's one of those coots that make MORAL judgements," while dramatically rolling their eyes inviting other people into agreement with their worthless opinion and valueless "values." Not being impressed with such as these, I continue being some description of a moral being, and am not afraid of this. Some people would want me to be. Up theirs.

I wrote a certain thing a certain way. You read it wrong. Also, again, your conclusion about me is wrong.

I am lazy, but not wrong.

Really?

And just how could I have read it "better?" If you can't write what you mean, why did you write at all?? You have fully communicated that you can't distinguish a conservative from a fascist, which I say is a hell of a mistake. You are certainly not communicating any clarification -- of any point. That isn't thinking, and it isn't writing either.

Don't expect me to express frustration. The conversation may pause from time to time, but it need not end.