Just remember that where there's smoke, there's a cook fire. And that smoke is easy to follow. When the thousands of hungry people around you smell that cookout, do you think they will stay put, or follow their noses?

That's what the guns are for :)

Seriously, if you know how to make a fire correctly, there will be very little smoke and you can shield the flame at night. I'm not claiming to have all the answers Glatt. My point was simply that I am prepared to do everything I can to maximinze my and my wife's chances of surviving should the shit hit the fan. Better prepared than most people I would imagine.

I must say that I have really enjoyed reading this thread. Lots of interesting stuff here.

See you at the bunker.

I'm not trying to shoot you down. I'm just pointing out that surviving must also take into account other people. I can't remember where I read it, but something that stuck with me once is that you don't want other people to think you are "rich" (have food and supplies.) Don't throw your empties out side. After you eat some food, hide the empty cans and wrappers. If somebody is looking for food and they see a big pile of empty MRE bags or cans out your back door, they are going know you have food, and they will want it. Hide your "wealth" so you don't have to defend it, and be prepared to defend it if it comes to that.

Hungry people will smell food even if you (the not so hungy) can't. don't cook if you don't have too.

Of course, you can turn your meat to jerkey early on when people aren't really thinking about food yet. Pretty much anything else can be eaten uncooked... or with sterno inside the house.

Here's a link to a forum with some cool people who are like-minded when it comes to survival. http://www.neardeathexperiments.com/

We have amassed a collection of large propane tanks that we keep filled at all times in the case of a disaster. We have heaters and grills that will hook up to them which we can use to cook or boil water to drink. I think we have 6, 3- 9 gal and 5- 5 gallons.

Which means when the really big disaster strikes, Merc's place will be easy to spot, with its 20-foot tall raging gas fire.

:lol: exactly my thought. We have a few dinky camping ones, although i guess all it takes is for one to explode....

You all don't watch Myth Busters do ya? :)

Here's a nice shelter for ya, merc. Make sure you move it close to the flames so you can stay all nice and toasty-warm. :rolleyes:

That what guns and big dogs are for ....

BOX!


I already live in a hole.










In a lake....

With this thread title continuing to show up, I thought I'd look for an earthquake hazard map to see what my risks really are. There are a bunch of maps here, and I just grabbed one. I have no idea what the numbers mean, but the colors are pretty. Looks like I'm safe from an earthquake here in DC.

Looks like zippyt's fucked

and This why We have Earth quake Ins

I am surprised at how close we are to a major earthquake area. Looks like I need to move my bunker SE of it's current location.

No, don't. It's perfect where it is now.

That would make a nice apron. Remember, that New Madrid fault rang the church bells in Boston. :eek:

Another hot spot is northern NY state... better know as up-US.

I never heard about the Boston event. Interesting. Makes perfect sense. I have heard more about the volatility of the Midwest up near Colorado and the Dakota's. Wouldn't change my desire to live in that area, it is beautiful.

HMMMM. Well, we've had a massive storm rolling through for the last couple days but yesterday it got truly nasty. There was a weather service Tornado Warning (not watch) and the geniuses on the radio didn't know what to do. We don't get tornados in arizona so they were pretty funny.

We lost power about 4:30 and just got it back a little bit ago after sending the kids off to school. We had everything we needed except a small propane grill to make dinner with. This being Phoenix it never popped into my skull that I might have to cook while it was raining so my big ass propane grill out back was not possible. We made do with some cans of sterno and grill cheese sandwiches and cold stuff... but lesson learned. Small dual fuel camping grill goes on the list.

Yea, we live in a Hurricaine prone area so this stuff is part of our regular spring planning. We keep 3 gallons of water per day per person stored in our garage and a large collection of small propane cans for a propane grill. After a while it just made better sense to buy a grill that had a dual purpose of hooking up to the larger tank as well as use the small cans for when we go to the beach or camping or if we want to grill out on the porch when it is raining. So we got this:

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colem...id=2010&brand=

We also have the heavy duty style propane stove for our Low Country Boil or turkey frying.

Looks nice, something to consider. I was planning to grab a small coleman dual fuel (unleaded gas/camp fuel) as a back up. It is the desert so rain doesn't factor in usually. I've got a couple of bigger grill options + open fire options. If I'd really been desperate last night I could have stood in the rain and grilled out back, I just wasn't that motivated.

The only thing I don't like about my multi-fuel stove (propane, kerosene, jp4) is that it spills fuel on start up so there is usally a need to have an area of danger around them when they first start.

The nice thing about a camp stove is that you can actually boil a pot of water in about the same time as on the stove. Being a dual stove is helpful for a family. So if you are using it at home you could cook with it indoors, including if you used a 20gal tank. Clean up on that one is easy and painless. We have taken that one on week long vacations to a beach house for some awesome out door grilling. The only bad thing about it is that it is a bit bulky.