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Lamplighter 12-11-2010 10:44 AM

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<snip>* I spent a few years in the Deep South, when integration was still the law of the land (early 50's).
I learned all about Democrats, at that time.
I did support Clinton for President, because he was experienced at running things (former Governor),
and smart (a former Rhodes Scholar).
Was this a typo/brain fart ? ;)

I don't understand, unless you are exquisitely fine-cutting your words.
Brown vs Board of Education was 1954, just as an example

Adak 12-12-2010 03:01 PM

Integration was the law, but it was not fully integrated into society. We still had "colored" entrances and water fountains and such.

This was before all the rest of the civil rights acts, and activities.

Johnson was not a president I really admired, but in the area of civil rights legislation, he was an amazing champion - he left the Northern liberals with their mouths catching fly's, on this.

All the more amazing, was that he was from a former Confederate state (Texas).

Lamplighter 12-12-2010 03:42 PM

Groan...

tombstone 12-13-2010 12:03 PM

To Monster and Foot Foot Foot, who replied to my question of why IOD would even post this picture, and to all of you contributors-- Wow! I understand why now! What an excellent lot of thought-provoking conversation was stimulated by this image! What a great amount of history was recalled by it! I hope school kids will go on this site and read what all of you have to say! It sure points out the importance of knowing history and understanding it! I am impressed with all of the thoughtful, intelligent comments made by a group I am pleased to be a part of!

Trilby 12-13-2010 12:20 PM

(stage whisper) I think tombstone is effing with someone (stage whisper)

John 12-14-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tombstone (Post 699854)
What a great amount of history was recalled by it invented in response to it!

FTFY.

I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

footfootfoot 12-14-2010 11:49 AM

Holy shit, I think that is the first post I've seen of yours with words, John.

xoxoxoBruce 12-15-2010 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by John (Post 700006)
I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

Not creative writing, like everyone relating first person experiences, it's perspective. What the writer took away from what they saw, which is not history... unless they're a pro on the winning side. ;)

Adak 12-15-2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by John (Post 700006)
FTFY.

I mean, seriously, you had the tone *almost* perfect, but I would have given you a couple of extra points if you'd properly classified KKK New Guy and Adak as engaging in creative, not historical, writing.

What?

You think the KKK was violent ONLY to blacks? Guess again. If you doubt what i said about the Southern Poverty Law Center, winning big in legal suits against the KKK, it's a matter of public record. They won *big*, including substantial real estate.

If you think for one minute that segregation was broken right after the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling was made, you're way off.

Why did president Eisenhower send in the 101st Airborne into Little Rock, Arkansas, to enforce it? Why was the Governor of Alabama making speeches about "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"?

If you didn't live in the South during those times, you probably have no idea what it was like back in the days before desegregation. America was a *very* different place, back then.

morethanpretty 12-15-2010 08:21 AM

Yeah, they were violent to white people who dared to sympathize with black people!

Overwhelmingly they were/are violent to black people. Any white people who were targeted were targeted for sympathizing or helping the civil right cause.
Don't try to pretend that everything they do is not about racial hate. It is.

Lamplighter 12-15-2010 08:45 AM

It was not only the violence and intimidation of Blacks.
The KKK were/are politically active against Catholics and Jews,
and essentially anyone else that was not white and Protestant.

Oregon has a significant legal and social history with the KKK.
Essentially, the basis for private schools in the US was established
by the US Supreme Court in ruling in 1925 against the KKK
and in favor of St Mary's Academy here in Portland, OR.

morethanpretty 12-15-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 700146)
It was not only the violence and intimidation of Blacks.
The KKK were/are politically active against Catholics and Jews,
and essentially anyone else that was not white and Protestant.

Oregon has a significant legal and social history with the KKK.
Essentially, the basis for private schools in the US was established
by the US Supreme Court in ruling in 1925 against the KKK
and in favor of St Mary's Academy here in Portland, OR.

I actually realize that, just Adak's continuous arguments that the KKK is somehow not all about racial/prejudicial hate is really really annoying me. Somehow the fact that they sometimes target non-blacks makes them, what? Less awful? I don't understand what Adak's point is TBH. They are a hate group, their main focus is blacks.

Lamplighter 12-15-2010 10:27 AM

MTP, yes, point taken.

Oregon just didn't have enough Blacks to keep the KKK's busy.
The original State Constitution prohibited Blacks from owning real estate anywhere in the State. It wasn't until after WWII that significant numbers of Blacks settled in the PDX area.

Southern Oregon had KKK activity against the Native Americans, based on land and water rights, and the Chinese laborers who worked in mines and on the railroads. A history that still has lingering effects.

KKK...Oregon's "equal-opportunity" hate group.

TheMercenary 12-15-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 700167)
They are a hate group, their main focus is blacks.

And Jews.

HungLikeJesus 12-15-2010 06:47 PM

And black Jews.

Shawnee123 12-15-2010 07:42 PM

native american jew catholic monks!

TheMercenary 12-15-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 700250)
And black Jews.

And Jews who act in black-face. Those must be the worst.

SPUCK 12-16-2010 05:17 AM

Mimes?

Adak 12-16-2010 05:48 AM

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I actually realize that, just Adak's continuous arguments that the KKK is somehow not all about racial/prejudicial hate is really really annoying me. Somehow the fact that they sometimes target non-blacks makes them, what? Less awful? I don't understand what Adak's point is TBH. They are a hate group, their main focus is blacks.
I believe most of you weren't in the South during those years, but now, are posting like you were.

Of course the most frequent victims of the KKK were the colored's, and by far, they regularly received the most brutal treatment. In Florida, they wiped out a whole colored town. The lucky survivors being too afraid to return. Just a rumor of a black on white crime could set them off no end.

I apologize if I didn't emphasize that this kind of behavior was not motivated by their loving kindness. :rolleyes:

John 12-20-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 700027)
Holy shit, I think that is the first post I've seen of yours with words, John.

Lots of my posts have words! They just also usually have pictures because I'm posting in the "weird-ass fucking pictures" threads.

Adak: Not only did you miss my point completely, but now you've trotted out the phrase "the coloreds".

Wow.

(Hint: The historical revisionism I was talking about was your conflation of the political parties of the Slaver's Rebellion and Jim Crow eras with the current ones that have similar names, but drastically different agendas. Well, that and your amazingingly misinformed description of what you think the Republican platform is, and why.)

Adak 12-20-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John (Post 701057)
Lots of my posts have words! They just also usually have pictures because I'm posting in the "weird-ass fucking pictures" threads.

Adak: Not only did you miss my point completely, but now you've trotted out the phrase "the coloreds".

Wow.

(Hint: The historical revisionism I was talking about was your conflation of the political parties of the Slaver's Rebellion and Jim Crow eras with the current ones that have similar names, but drastically different agendas. Well, that and your amazingingly misinformed description of what you think the Republican platform is, and why.)

Political parties are dynamic; changing over time. The current Democratic party leadership is quite far to the left on the political spectrum, and desperately trying to spend us out of our economic problems, while continuing to massively increase the size of government. Like that works. :p::p:

"I don't have enough money -- so I'll spend like crazy!"

Every government employee will have yet another paycheck the private sector (you and I), must support with our taxes.

The liberal to conservative slant of our political parties, is the major division I see between them. I do get riled when I hear some liberal ranting on about the racism they perceive, in the Republican party. As if the Democrats didn't have the most extensive racist history of any political party in the USA, by far. I remember Gov. Wallace and his ilk, all too well.

The word "coloreds" was not uncommon during the late 40's and 50's. It was not an offensive word, (all racist terms are offensive, but "colored" is only mildly so), being mostly descriptive, and used by more than just white folk. America was a racist place in those days. If you were around in those days, in the South particularly, you couldn't miss it. Words like this were needed, to describe the reality of the law, and the world we lived in.

TheMercenary 12-24-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 701095)
The word "coloreds" was not uncommon during the late 40's and 50's. It was not an offensive word, (all racist terms are offensive, but "colored" is only mildly so), being mostly descriptive, and used by more than just white folk.

It certainly is a more accurate description today than African American is currently used for the people living in the United States who are of color other than white.

xoxoxoBruce 12-24-2010 12:34 PM

That's for sure, African American is a term which properly applied refers to very few people in this country, who hold dual citizenship with an African country and the US.

Gravdigr 12-24-2010 12:50 PM

Hey!! HEY!!!HEY!!!!

Don't leave out the Canadians. Dirty fucking Canadians...

Gravdigr 12-24-2010 12:51 PM

I meant Kanadians. Yeah. Dirty fukking Kanadians...

Lamplighter 12-24-2010 01:47 PM

And what happens in just a few more steps ...

Kanadians -> Kanukians -> Kenukians -> Kentukians

xoxoxoBruce 12-24-2010 05:37 PM

But it's Canuckians.

DanaC 12-24-2010 08:11 PM

So...a deboned canary, stuffed inside a deboned duck, stuffed inside a deboned dalmation?

Tasty.

Gravdigr 12-25-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 701695)
So...a deboned canary, stuffed inside a deboned duck, stuffed inside a deboned dalmation?

:lol2:

Gravdigr 12-25-2010 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 701667)
And what happens in just a few more steps ...

Kanadians -> Kanukians -> Kenukians -> Kentukians

That shoulda included Kenudians...


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