Theresa 'Elaine' May tried to spin eggs today. She could not even do that. Was there ever a Prime Minister less competent?

Maybe she should stick to stand-up?

Abbot and Costello, Martin and Lewis, Desi and Lucy, watch out. Here comes Theresa May and tw (her funnyman as only he could be) in the new comedy team T'N'T.

They'll be Dyn-o-mite!

The audience is never part of the act. Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Britain's favorite comedy team. With a cast of a million - brainwashed Brits. Please try to keep up with the program.

We must look pretty silly this side of the pond trying to work out what will happen.

But from here, it appears that, right now, that the UK will be saving, and the EU losing, no less than £39,000,000,000 from no-deal Brexit?

That's a tonne of filthy lucre.

With that kind of money we could forget the wall and dig a Mexican Channel.

I can't imagine a set of circumstances where the UK won't pay the 39 Billion.

Rhianne, don't forget to account for stupid politicians. :lol:

Yes, and to be fair we do have an awful lot of stupid politicians, but remember that the £39 billion isn't some kind of fee for leaving the EU, instead a fulfillment of signed-for agreements already made. Tory MPs can (and will) posture all they want but lawyers and courts don't often take politicians stupidity into account.

May is playing possum politics. Do nothing to get something. She is playing cards without even closest advisers knowing what she is holding and what her strategy is. But we can easily speculate. By doing nothing (and because so many other British politicians in all parties are not acting as leaders), then she hopes her plan remains the only plan.

She is counting on nobody standing up for Britain and calling for a new referendum. Based upon inaction by all parties (except the SNP) due to so much dissention, then Britain is stuck with May's bad deal.

Any pound that went to the EU resulted in massively more assets in return. Do to how spread sheets measure, a massive value from being in the EU cannot be measured. That value will be lost starting with and not limited to job losses.

Brexit makes no sense. But Britain has a serious shortage of leadership. So a decision is only being made by emotions - resulting in inaction.

Apparently that is how PM May is playing it. Which explains so much silence about a looming tidal wave called Brexit. Things get quiet just before that wave strikes.

Well, don't expect yellow vests to start showing up in the UK. Remember, they couldn't even deal with a yellow bikini.

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Looks like you're going to quit the EU cold turkey.

If you experience symptoms of withdrawal; remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That or it leaves you a cripple. But then you'd be able to use handicap parking. See, every cloud has a silver lining.

Wear a yellow bikini and protest in the streets. Post a selfie here.

At this point, I think that cancelling brexit is more likely.

If the yellow bikini protests are successful.

An obviously incompetent Prime Minister was expected to lose a Brexit vote. Nobody expected how dumb those Brexit supporters are. Parliament voted over 2 to 1 against a Brexit deal. Even British citizens, who voted for Brexit, should apologize for being so easily brainwashed by British wacko extremists. A vote against Brexit was widespread across almost all British political parties. Because a majority saw Brexit as a scam.

Notice those (ie Boris Johnson) who most advocated for destruction to the British economy have disappeared - have become scarce.

May would have been smarter to rename herself Elaine and then write comedies. Instead she decided to align herself with Britain's least educated citizens who even promote hate of immigrants. This resulting conclusion was one sided obvious and stated here so many times for how long? Because the stupidity called Brexit was always that obvious.

That vote was suppose to happen on 11 Dec. May delayed it so as to make more deals. Instead, opposition to Brexit increased in all parties. Even many in May's own Conservative party voted against Brexit. Brexit was always that stupid.

Many options exist. But three viable ones are May resigns, Britian hold an emergency referendum on Brexit, or Britain suffer the worst possible penalties by going through with Brexit and suffering major job losses.

Amazing how the people to suffer most from Brexit - the Midlanders - so wanted this. To paraphrase another, "Of course she's a lyin' motherfucker, I didn't hire her to be honest, I hired her to wreck shit."

Wacko extremism is not limited to America.

These are the good old days.

God I hope not.

nsfw language:P

What is anyone doing viewing any of this stuff at work. When at work, one works. Even those silly text messages can wait till tonight. That is why they are text messages.

Tories made some non-disclosed deal with a Northern Ireland party to save PM May. Just barely. I don't know why. Her Brexit deal was the most voted against in British History since 1920. Could she be any less competent?

But then it says so much about so many British citizens easily brainwashed into voting for major job losses. Those losses have not even started.

How many hackers so easily manipulated Midlanders into harming their employment and standards of living?

Curious are politics being played by other parties. Nobody is pushing for a second Brexit referendum. For fear of being blamed for the result. So British citizens must be harmed due to total inaction and an incompetent PM. A severe shortage of leadership not just limited to the PM.

Where are people such as Boris Johnson whose only purpose in life was to "wreck shit". And now hides out because he did so much damage. Where are educated British citizens who obviously would have seen that?

Apparently someone sexed up the facts. Then many, who use a penis to think with, voted for Brexit.

It is called adults who think like children. Or the now popular expression, they think with their reptilian brain.

It all gets solved if a second referendum votes to reject Brexit. That is the only good solution. And currently impossible.

Umm...lunch break?

A well-rounded employee is valued by enlightened employers; and in competitive labor markets, "work/life balance" is considered an essential selling point.

Best for a well rounded employee is to diet. Nothing reduces calorie intake more then vomiting due to reading Trump Tweets.

Trump Tweets - The Breakfast of Champions

Watch Yvette Cooper, he could change everything.

Much of that problem is traceable to PM May. Remember, nobody (especially those who wanted to wreck shit by promoting Brexit) wanted the PM job. May was basically a remaining choice. She is rather isolated - does not take outside advise. And is representative of strained relations with the EU.

The Economist describes her: In short, she decided to make business in Britain more expensive and less competitive.

She was never a good PM choice. But Britain' children were told by extremists that Brexit was good Then learned years ago that the Brexit promoters were only seeking political power for self serving gratification. Did not want and were incapable of dealing with the disaster they had created. So May was sucked into the vacuum. Britain has the PM is deserves because so many midlanders were so easily brainwashed by lies.

Only way out is to vote again to reject Brexit. But in politics now flooded in illogical emotions, no leader is willing to call for the only viable alternative. So the British, who have no backbone and who voted for Brexit as children, will suffer less jobs and growth. Already the EU is moving towards other nations and addressing other major and necessary changes. Especially in the East European nations. The Brits will be cut out as if undesirable foreigners. The fundamental strength, that once included Britain, is now concentrating in France and Germany. Because so many British voters were brainwashed by people (ie Boris Johnson) who only wanted to 'wreck shit'.

Well, they are the days we've got...

Yes they are.

A number of moderates from both parties left due to extremism in both Labour and Conservative parties. Even Tony Blair was quite blunt about the destruction of his party by extremists - who fail to lead even n Brexit. Whose only action is to naysay - offer nothing constructive.

Britain has a severe leadership problem. You can damn well bet that Russian hacker will play (prey) on emotional voters to further harm to the British economy.

"Britain has a severe leadership problem."
 

No, Britain has a severe proxy problem, and has for a looooong time.

Proper proxies woulda never allowed the formation of the EU, and proper proxies woulda cleanly severed Britain's connection to the EU when the opportunity was presented.

correction: don't wait for the opportunity, make it happen.

Oh they played their part in the referendum campaigns

And so we have heard. My problem is that I don't have (did not find) hard facts to better understand it. Any examples?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ets-fake-news/

Many such reports with numbers defined the size of that misinformation campaign. But what I really needed, so as to better appreciate, are specific examples of that misinformation. Since I always find it so difficult to believe such unsupported statements would be believed by any adult.

It might be that I was raised watching advertising intentionally deceive people with phony claims - such as "smoking cigarettes increase health". Would routinely listen to international radio broadcasts promoting news or propaganda. And routinely identified the characteristic differences that separated facts from suspect myths.

I have a problem understanding why anyone would read and believe that Hilary Clinton was running a sex slave operation in a Washington pizza shop basement. Cannot understand (grasp) why anyone (any adult) would even come close to believing that.

In Brexit, I have not nor understand specific examples of what was stated that would cause anyone to believe Brexit propaganda. Yes, we have numbers that these misinformation claims were in the tens of thousands. But what exactly were they saying that would cause anyone to believe any of them? That part I just do not get.

It is a simple rule. It must also say why and with numbers. That simple rule made it so obvious that Saddam did not have WMDs. Honesty always says why with as many statements or more paragraphs than I write. Otherwise it is probably a lie.

Why would anyone believe anything that was only a paragraph or two? What sort of claims would cause anyone to believe Brexit fake news? Soundbyte replies are a first indication of a lie.

I just never saw one good example of a misinformation post that so many believed. Many tens of thousands. But I never saw a specific example that so many automatically believed. So I have difficultly understanding what propaganda is working to deceive so many Brits.

Specific examples in this instance wouldn't be of value. The point was to flood the twittersphere with a weight of posts

Bear in mind a significant proportion of voters went to the poll not really knowing how they would vote or what the main issues were. Seeing a stream of pro-Brexit posts on social media gave the impression of an overwhelming level of support for leaving.

Facebook posts and tweets don't impact individually, they are just the individual droplets of water - its the deluge that does the damage.

That does better explain it.

I am taken by observations from Facebook's army of content editors. Some report that reading so many misinformation posts on 911 or the Moon landing actually causes them to be more receptive to statements even though they new those were lies. Due to the overwhelming constant drumbeat of that misinformation. Also an interesting mental perspective I never knew / suspected.

I don't know enough about the psychological mechanisms at play but I wonder if it is similar to crowd dynamics?

One of the really dangerous aspects of the whole fake news thing is that ..I think ... it plays to the subconscious. Every decision you make, every opinion, every choice happens pre-consciously and is retrospectively translated into conscious thought.

It fees like the train of our thought leads to the conclusion - but that is an illusion. That shit was already worked out in some other part of the brain, fractions of fractions of seconds before you are having that thought. facebook and twitter, soundbytes and posters - these things are quick hits that we have already responded to before we realise we've even taken the information in - by which time all that's left is for us to explain to ourselves why we are responding.

Which I believe those Facebook editors were observing. Having been told same lies enough times, then they started to believe them even though knowing each was not true.

Or another aspect applies. An ability to see through fake news requires one to always look beyond the statement - to always also demand the underlying what, whys, and perspectives. This was discussed in another thread. A fundamental difference exists between officer material and enlistedman. An enlistedman typically sees only what he is told. An officer must take known facts to 'solve the equation'; construct (grasp) a bigger picture. One who does not (cannot) do that is then easily manipulated by lies.

Even simpler rules apply. If a conclusion is not tempered by perspective (ie numbers), then an honest person has no business believing it. From what I have seen here and elsewhere (ie Democratic Convention, Cloud's experience with a Idle Air Control Valve, etc), plenty (maybe a majority) do not know how to do that.

Cloud's mechanic had a P1519 error code that means only a computer, wire, or valve is defective. So the mechanic kept replacing a part least likely to fail .... three times for $1200. Finally another mechanic replaced the $200 part that a long list of reasons (posted there) defined as clearly defective.

Why could he not see the obvious? He was not officer material. He could only keep doing what a check list ordered him to do.

Is that due to his (entrenched) subconscious? Or is that just a lack of basic thought training (obtained mostly from experience)?

Never let emotions appear anywhere in a decision. Always grasp the bigger picture. And know honest answers always require numbers. My experience is that many never learn any of these basic concepts. Therefore cannot see an obviously defective IACV valve, did not do (learn) what is necessary to be officer material, and automatically believed only what was told.

And so the question. Are we discussing a subconscious bias to not want to see underlying facts? Or is a subconscious 'screw the world; I am going to solve this' attitude necessary to make possible seeing through myths, lies, misinformation, and the not always obvious? Only the latter is officer material. Is that grounded in the subconscious?

A subconscious exampled by Facebook editors is different from the subconscious that makes possible or that obstructs discovery of a defective IAC valve. Which subconscious applies?

I am just not sure which subconscious applies? In part, because even at the age of 12, I was using these obvious thinking techniques to fix vacuum tube TVs. It was easy except when confronted by retail salesman who could not believe one so small or colored wrong could do this stuff. Solving problems is easy. It amazes me how many cannot (or fear to) do it. Getting the emotional to finally learn or cooperate - that other subconscious is not easily solved.

So I guess we now have three different subconsciouses. And crowd dynamics could apply in each case. Which applies? Oh for a clinical psychologist.

Bottom line: some people just cannot think through a problem. Why? Some people do not learn how.

Perhaps I'm just an ignorant American but it appears the EU has a lot of cliques and side deals going on that I wasn't aware of. :blush:

Notice that the UK wants to cut off the only economic relationship they have with all those nations. As of trade barriers, tariffs, plenty of custom duties and red tape paperwork, and restoring what was removed to solve the Ireland civil war problem - all that will somehow be good.

MPs voted for an extension to Brexit. But far more interesting is the logic being used to obfuscate everything. If British citizens, now told reality and not lies, vote again for Brexit, then that would be undemocratic. Even that bull is somehow honest or logical.

Not only is PM May incompetent. Corbyn (from the opposition party) also wants Brexit. Being incompetent, Corbyn and May cannot even agree on what they both really want. UK has no other leadership willing to stand up and protect the British economy - by voting to stay in the EU.

Incompetence among Britain leaders is, well, I cannot think of another time where so much incompetence was so widespread - even among British voters.

PM May, today, is now blaming a collective failure in Parliament for not voting for her bogus Brexit deal. Britain's leaders are that self serving and myopic.

Problem in Britain is, well, 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. In this case, fools voted to do so much harm to their economy, their jobs, and their standard of living. They voted for Brexit and got leaders (and problems) they wanted.

Those many Brexit promoters listed billions of Pounds saved with Brexit. After the Brexit vote, they admitted they were lying. Those savings will not exist. And still so many British voters want economic harm - and leaders who are still promoting lies. Including and not limited to PM May ... who has yet to accomplish anything as Prime Minister.

When a leader says "plenty of blame to go around", then 99% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. These are the people that so many easily brainwashed British voters wanted.

Those British who voted for Brexit were unduly influenced by Sycorax. You'll find that most of those Brexiteers have A+ blood which constitutes 42% of the UK population. It's only the remainder of about 10% that voted for Brexit, bringing the total to 51.9%, who were just blindly following others' leads.

Apparently their blood flows red. So they are really commies. A fact that would not be apparent until they riot in the streets.

"fools voted to do so much harm to their economy, their jobs, and their standard of living."

I'm thinkin' the 'fools' voted to take on hardship so as to regain their nation's autonomy.

Severing long-term ties with the EU wasn't gonna be easy or painless.

Too bad for the 'fools' they're saddled with 'leaders' instead of 'proxies'.

:biglaugha

Brexit or BRUK, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The politicking and economics of outrageous referendum,
Or spin yarns up against a channel of troubles



(BRUK - Banana Republic of the United Kingdom)

A pathetic British Prime Minister went to Brussels to again beg for a better deal. EU bluntly told her she already has the only possible deal. Then asked her to leave so that 27 other nations could discuss her. When PM May was brought back, German Chancellor Merkel recommended she do what is responsible - a second referendum. Especially since Brexit supporters, after the first referendum, admitted to outright lying to intentionally deceive British citizens.

Britain needs leaders replaced - especially PM May and Labor party leader Corbyn. Both not only want Brexit. Both are so destructive as to not even agree with each other. Neither are working for UK citizens. Both are playing power politics for personal advancement. Both fear what would happen if Britain does what the German Chancellor bluntly (and accurately) recommended.

Somehow a second referendum would be undemocratic ... since British citizens would now be informed when voting.

They could leave the EU; then, hold another referendum to vote for either rejoining the EU; or, becoming a US territory (like our other islands).

I get 75% of my Brexit news from Jonathan Pie. Now I can't wait to hear his take on May offering to step down if they take her deal. That has got to be unprecedented.

This ball is all tee'd up for you, Mr Pie.

PM May is down to her last option. Her promise to resign will change the votes of many who voted against because they dislike her pathetic leadership.

It also says to the many who want Brexit but voted against the deal, this is your last chance. That also has gotten some to announce they will change their vote.

Parliament had something like 12 resolutions - for everything from May's deal to a second referendum. All were rejected. It says how pathetic both May and Corbyn are as leaders. It says there is no responsible leadership representing the UK. Only people who crave their own personal advancement and self serving biases are the leaders.

Both May and Corbyn want Brexit. Even those two self serving leaders (playing politics for their own agenda) cannot come to an agreement. And where are people such as Boris Johnson who promoted this mess for his own personal advancement? He cannot be found. He did what he wanted. Wreck shit. And has left the UK to burn.

The writing's on the wall... out in the alley.

Of twelve votes that failed in Parliament, one that came closest to passing called for a second referendum. Now that British citizens know the truth (were not brainwashed by people who want to wreck shit), that would be their best option.

But both May and Corbyn oppose a second referendum. It would do nothing to protect their power and position.

John Crace in the Guardian has a few things to say too :p:

Parliament said no, again, to the option.

Britain needs to find a leader. It currently voted for and therefore has none.

opinions...

It was a major concession by PM May. Her entire top staff was called in, all cell phones were confiscated and locked away, and (apparently) she finally listened to advise.

As a result, PM may will talk with Labour leader Corbyn. These two pathetic leaders are expected to stop shouting cheapshots.

Actually not a good thing. Since what Britain needs - a second referendum - will not happen. But finally the two pathetic leaders have finally found their brains. And will now do what moderates do. Talk. Negotiate. Reach a conscientious. As like adult leaders; not emotional children.

You're overlooking the possibility of a stalemate with no progress.