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elSicomoro 10-27-2003 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by breakingnews
What, those nasty yellow trash cans?
That's them...with the sun on the side of the box that says Good Morning. See it every morning at the train station.

elSicomoro 10-27-2003 07:30 PM

Incidentally, the coolest newspaper boxes are those in Old City that house the Philadelphia Independent. Crazy shit.

breakingnews 10-28-2003 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Going after the short arm market?:D
I guess I wasn't too clear ...

One would have to hold his/her hands four inches closer *together* to read the paper. Less width-wise spread, the less of your newspaper is in my face on a rush-hour SEPTA train.

breakingnews 10-28-2003 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
Incidentally, the coolest newspaper boxes are those in Old City that house the Philadelphia Independent. Crazy shit.
Coolest newspaper boxes were the ones I had made for my college newspaper ... FUCKING AWESOME. Circulation jumped like 25% when we started putting those out around campus.

Not that we charged $$ for newspapers, but our delivery guys had to stock each box with more and more papers every week. By the end of my term, we were distributing all but 100 of our 9,000 press run. PRetty coooooool.

pjshimmer 10-29-2003 05:35 PM

Conclusion: nobody gives a shit about Wal Mart any more. But just what are you guys rambling about?

perth 10-29-2003 05:40 PM

Newspaper boxes. And while we're not on the subject, Target rules.

elSicomoro 10-29-2003 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by breakingnews
Less width-wise spread, the less of your newspaper is in my face on a rush-hour SEPTA train.
Fucking great! So now I'm not going to be able to read as easily over peoples' shoulders!

Yuhao, the story about the illegal Wal-Mart workers being arrested brought comments from breakingnews, who works for a newspaper in suburban Philadelphia. The newspaper for whom he works is sold in my neighborhood and I happened to bring up their retarded-looking newspaper boxes, which lead to some more comments. Breakingnews noted that they're changing the size of that paper, which a couple of us commented on as well.

Of course, you could have easily noticed all this by reading all the posts, but I understand...you're a hard-working college student. That, or you're having some English problems. :)

xoxoxoBruce 10-29-2003 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by breakingnews

I guess I wasn't too clear ...

One would have to hold his/her hands four inches closer *together* to read the paper. Less width-wise spread, the less of your newspaper is in my face on a rush-hour SEPTA train.

Oh, ok. Thought you meant smaller fonts.

breakingnews 10-30-2003 12:01 PM

syc, i stopped by 5th n market today and saw the Independent box. Very cool - I took a couple photos (i know, i'm a total loser). I'll post them when I get home tonight.

breakingnews 10-30-2003 07:21 PM

Very cool.

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elSicomoro 10-30-2003 08:22 PM

It's awesome...and in a perfect spot too--visitors from all over the world see it on their way over to the Liberty Bell.

r9703410 11-11-2003 08:51 AM

A lot of my older friends work at Wal-Mart. They are all Hispanic and afriad that if they ask for a raise they will get fired. They all have been working at the same one for over 5 years still making $6 an hour. I told them ask for a raise if they fire you take them to court. They asked they got. Trial and error is what I say!

breakingnews 11-11-2003 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by r9703410
A lot of my older friends work at Wal-Mart. They are all Hispanic and afriad that if they ask for a raise they will get fired. They all have been working at the same one for over 5 years still making $6 an hour. I told them ask for a raise if they fire you take them to court. They asked they got. Trial and error is what I say!
Well, if they're here legally, they've got a better shot than the rest of the lot.

lumberjim 11-11-2003 07:17 PM

fuck walmart

r9703410 11-12-2003 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
fuck walmart
Why do you say that?

Chewbaccus 11-12-2003 12:48 PM

I don't dig WalMart. It's not because of the oppressing economic presence bit, or the shady employee treatment bit, or the fact the breakroom in any given store could be easily mistaken for a cult gathering site worshiping Sam Walton. I just don't like the clientele.

I was in a discussion with some friends, lamenting my inability to find a place to get alcohol cheaper for when I hit up a friend's house for a party. One suggested I try Wal-Mart. My following statement sums up my position quite nicely, I feel:

"Matt, there's two things wrong with that. One: I have yet to see a Wal-Mart sell Killian's [Irish Red]. Two: Even were I to find such a place, I have no desire to go beer shopping while fighting off a horde of cranky rednecks and pregnant teenagers."

[NOTE: My other friend, who WORKS at a Wal-Mart started to contest the shot at the store, then promptly shut up when he realized it couldn't be done.]

Now I like a good deal as much as the next guy. But if getting it means I have to shop in a store where there exists a very high probability of hearing the intercom tell me "Irate customer in Guns requires assistance, irate customer in Guns requires assistance. Thank you.", the rewards are not enough.

r9703410 11-12-2003 12:58 PM

pregnant teenagers? Whats exactly wrong with them?

elSicomoro 11-12-2003 07:31 PM

Mike, they DID sell Killian's at the Wal-Mart in my college town. In fact, they had the best beer selection in town. And their groceries were cheap too. I miss that Wal-Mart...

Pregnant teenagers can cause strains on social services funds, as well as financial and emotional strains on their families. I have good ideas for reducing them, but I don't think mainstream America is ready to embrace them yet.

xoxoxoBruce 11-12-2003 08:42 PM

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I have good ideas for reducing them, but I don't think mainstream America is ready to embrace them yet.
Heh, heh, heh, I'll bet.:D

Undertoad 11-12-2003 08:44 PM

By the way gentlemen, Killian's is a Coors product. At least drink Rolling Rock: the proud tradition of your home state.

elSicomoro 11-12-2003 08:52 PM

Not MY home state, though I drank plenty of Rolling Rock in college. Still drink it on occasion.

elSicomoro 11-12-2003 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Heh, heh, heh, I'll bet.
I'm telling you Bruce...eugenics got a bad rap. ;)

breakingnews 11-12-2003 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
By the way gentlemen, Killian's is a Coors product. At least drink Rolling Rock: the proud tradition of your home state.
Damnit, drink Yuengling (america's oldest beer!).

wolf 11-13-2003 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by sycamore
Not MY home state, though I drank plenty of Rolling Rock in college. Still drink it on occasion.
You poor, poor thing!

At least drink Penn Pilsner or something ...

pjshimmer 11-14-2003 08:26 PM

just to spice things up, I hereby post a pic of a Beautiful Warrior - guy or girl? you decide

http://stayka.keyspace.de/stseiya/pi...s/aphsh-01.jpg

Chewbaccus 11-15-2003 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
By the way gentlemen, Killian's is a Coors product. At least drink Rolling Rock: the proud tradition of your home state.
1) PA's not the home state. I know of no products from New York, but Killian's has "Irish" in the title. As my grandparents were from Limerick and Kerry, and bottled Guinness is a wicked tool of the Devil, Killian's it is.

2) I have bad memories of Rolling Rock. I helped my brother move out of his first apartment, he left a six-pack of Rock in the kitchen months or so before and promptly forgot about it. The smell as we dumped out the skunky brews, the confusion to my young mind as to whether my brother was weeping from the fumes or the wasted money...I'll never touch a Rolling Rock in my life. Such are the scars.

And BN, w00 to the Yueng, man. Rock on.

elSicomoro 11-15-2003 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Chewbaccus
and bottled Guinness is a wicked tool of the Devil
Not the new draft style...good stuff...expensive as fuck in this state, but still good stuff.

jennofay 11-15-2003 10:54 PM

i used to enjoy shopping at walmart. i still shop there for a few reasons... one, they are open later than target, and two, they have some good cheap stuff.

however, if given a choice, i would pick target over walmart any day. at target (and note i am referring to the ones near us, this might not be true in your area):

1. you don't have to wade through a puddle of piss and shit to use the bathroom
2. you have some chance of finding a sales associate who speaks enough english to help you
3. if shopping within the last hour and a half, you don't have to fear that you are going to be plowed over by a guy pushing a big floor buffer
4. they have more than three check-out lanes open on a saturday afternoon
5. their shopping carts dont have wheels with large chunks taken out of them which makes for a very awkward and loud shopping experience
6. you have less of a chance of having a group of middle-aged women pushing carts and then abruptly stopping in front of you and blocking you from moving anywhere.
7. their security system works (our wal mart's theft prevention things at the exit go off for everyone and the person guarding the exit just lets everyone go through, why bother?)

i am willing to pay a little more in order to save my sanity. i have come out of wal mart ready to kill too many times.

jennofay 11-15-2003 10:55 PM

(not that anyones talking about wal mart anymore anyway)

jeni 11-16-2003 01:30 AM

i work for safeway. on my union dues bills, it always says "remember: don't shop at wal-mart!!!"

xoxoxoBruce 11-16-2003 03:26 AM

How is Safeway to work for?

ladysycamore 11-16-2003 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by r9703410
pregnant teenagers? Whats exactly wrong with them?
Oh chile, let's not get started...:angry:

ladysycamore 11-16-2003 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by jennofay
i am willing to pay a little more in order to save my sanity. i have come out of wal mart ready to kill too many times.
I hear ya. My experiences at SquallMart haven't been *too* bad. I tend to go during certain days/hours when I know the chances of running into any drama is lessened (like during the day or late at night). ;)

jeni 11-16-2003 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
How is Safeway to work for?
shitty. they are quite possibly the most money-grubbing company on the face of the planet, and they treat their employees like shit. the managers at my store are incompetent morons, and i would like to see them all fired. it's this way with most safeways.

pjshimmer 11-16-2003 11:11 PM

On the bright side, these bad experiences teach you not to be like your bum managers when it's your time to do their work.

:p

hot_pastrami 11-17-2003 03:03 PM

An intreresting article on the subject of Wal-mart's impact on the economy:
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The giant retailer's low prices often come with a high cost. Wal-Mart's relentless pressure can crush the companies it does business with and force them to send jobs overseas. Are we shopping our way straight to the unemployment line?
I rarely shop Wal-mart, mostly because there are many places closer to where I live. But from some of the things I've read recently, out of princliple I'm going to stop shopping there altogether. I have a big problem with shipping all of our labor overseas; it takes thousands of jobs away from the lower class to ultimately make the wealthy wealthier.

To chime in on the life insurance policy debate... It doesn't sit well with me. I think it's the thought that if I were an employee of Wal-mart, I'd be highly uncomfortable with the fact that I was working for what is arguably the most powerful company in the world, and they are taking measures which may make me, to them, more valuable dead than alive.

breakingnews 11-17-2003 03:33 PM

The Wal-Mart debate is a tough one. We discussed Wal-Mart, Home Depot and other megabrand companies rather extensively in business school.

One class taught me that the objective of every company, no matter how big or small, is growth. If a company is not growing/expanding, it's not considered to be doing well (any news report about financial performance will be cynical if a company posts 0% change).

Wal-Mart's in a sticky situation. Inflation and such (competition) requires it to continue growing, adding employees, building stores. And it can't scale back because investors will panic and cause a huge mkt value loss (though the merchandising will keep going and they'll do just fine anyway).

It's funny because there's finally a store that basically has a monopoly and has the *cheapest* prices - yet people complain because it's growing bigger than one ever imagined.

Consumer boycotts will recover a fair portion of the small business economy (not all of it, but a good amount). Probably the best way to keep things under control - the big shots can't do much about it.

kerosene 11-17-2003 05:27 PM

Perth and I don't shop at Wal-Mart. Years ago, (he'll kill me for saying this) he worked at Sam's. They treated him terribly, so he quit.

One of the walmarts, in this state, took toys out of the toys for tots box and put them back on the shelves. I don't know if it was intentional, but who doesn't know what a toys for tots box is?

And then there is the environment. Usually, the floor is so sticky you can walk up the walls with the extra sticky that gets on your shoes. And people crowd the aisles as if the enormous cheese puff display might disappear if they don't stand in front of it for 10 minutes.

Nobody says "Excuse me." Big pet peeve of mine.

The clerks and stockers look like they would rather be eating walrus dung than working at Wal-mart (who could blame them?)

And then you see those stupid commercials...the people who work there look like normal happy people...there is usually some stupid special effect used to get a really simple message across...buy everything cheap here.

Yeah, they may be cheaper. And I realize that many people rely on the cheap prices to get the things they need. I just can't shop there anymore...I always feel like I have to take a shower when I leave, because the place is such a negative symbol in my mind.

Anyway, sorry to rant :rolleyes:

Case

xoxoxoBruce 11-18-2003 09:05 PM

Not a rant, Case. Simply an accurate description of the hell that it is.:)


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