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Clodfobble 08-14-2020 05:58 PM

The latest is that 10-13% of mail sorting machines (that each process over a million pieces a day) have been removed without explanation (or rather, the meaningless explanation of "equipment reduction") from dozens of major cities (on the one hand, all Dem strongholds, on the other, of course urban areas are where the machines are) and are being dismantled and destroyed despite functioning just fine. Also, dozens of blue mailboxes are being removed from the streets of NYC and Oregon due to insufficient use.

A firsthand account from a postal worker reports that he previously was given 2,000 pieces of mail per day to deliver, but with the re-organization and orders from on high to slow down processing, he's now getting between 200-600 per day. He's not working fewer hours, just delivering less mail than he's capable of right now. Mail that used to be sorted locally is now being sent to other cities and sometimes other states for processing, even if the delivery address is in the same city as it was posted from.

Numerous other reports, especially from renters who pay by check and seniors who get their meds through the mail, say that deliveries that took 2 days in the past are now taking 14 (and they are consequently running out of important things like insulin, because their health insurance A. requires mail-ordering and B. doesn't allow filling in advance.)

It's possible these are the inevitable growing pains of a restructure that will lead to more efficiency in the end. It's also possible this is deliberate. It should be noted that the majority of Amazon's deliveries are through the USPS.

Undertoad 08-14-2020 06:39 PM

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removed without explanation (or rather, the meaningless explanation of "equipment reduction")
meaningless?

The amount of mail handled by the USPS is down by a third in this decade alone. It's not coming back, half of us pay our bills online now. I hope the USPS is offloading equipment and changing blue box routes.

Flint 08-14-2020 06:43 PM

are you not done reading the rest, or did you just stop there?

Undertoad 08-14-2020 06:45 PM

Go fuck yourself

Flint 08-14-2020 06:47 PM

so to sum up your theory bad things are fake

Ibby 08-14-2020 06:58 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...381_story.html:
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Postal Service warns 46 states their voters could be disenfranchised by delayed mail-in ballots

Anticipating an avalanche of absentee ballots, the U.S. Postal Service recently sent detailed letters to 46 states and D.C. warning that it cannot guarantee all ballots cast by mail for the November election will arrive in time to be counted — adding another layer of uncertainty ahead of the high-stakes presidential contest.

The letters sketch a grim possibility for the tens of millions of Americans eligible for a mail-in ballot this fall: Even if people follow all of their state’s election rules, the pace of Postal Service delivery may disqualify their votes.

The Postal Service’s warnings of potential disenfranchisement came as the agency undergoes a sweeping organizational and policy overhaul amid dire financial conditions. Cost-cutting moves have already delayed mail delivery by as much as a week in some places, and a new decision to decommission 10 percent of the Postal Service’s sorting machines sparked widespread concern the slowdowns will only worsen. Rank-and-file postal workers say the move is ill-timed and could sharply diminish the speedy processing of flat mail, including letters and ballots.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...N36Q.jpg&w=916

With the caveat that obviously democratic voting strongholds tend to be population centers, so this is correlation but hypothetically not causation, people on twitter have overlaid that map with the pro-hillary margin in 2016:

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as one of the authors of the article pointed out on twitter:
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One word of caution. A lot of folks are looking at the map and saying these removals are targeted at Dem. strongholds. We don't know that. Dem. strongholds tend to be population centers. The removals may simply be following population patterns.

But on the other hand we don't *not* know that either because USPS hasn't provided any clear public rationale for why they're doing what they're doing

At the very least, making this kind of radical overhaul to a critical system in an unprecedented election year seems like a very iffy proposition. It's not clear why all these changes have to be done *right now*, rather than postponing them a year given the pandemic.


all of which, again, i would say serves fundamentally to erode public trust in the voting process and muddy the election waters. unless its an inarguable blowout landslide victory for either side, neither side is going to have faith in any result. that scares the shit outta me.

Clodfobble 08-14-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1056554)
meaningless?

The amount of mail handled by the USPS is down by a third in this decade alone. It's not coming back, half of us pay our bills online now. I hope the USPS is offloading equipment and changing blue box routes.

Only makes sense if the equipment was sitting idle or under-used, though. According to people who work in those post offices, they were in steady use, and this is part of why mail delivery that used to take 2 days takes 14.

Like I said, it's entirely possible this is only step one of a larger process, and they'll be replaced with bigger, more efficient machines at the new designated hubs, and it ultimately will make sense for a letter to travel 500 miles away just to get sorted and travel back to the same city. But right now, at least, there are measurable delays and problems in a service that used to work.

Ibby 08-14-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1056541)
Naw

When examining the numbers for the states, please use https://rt.live/ . For individual states the "Adjusted Positive Tests & Implied Infections" curve at the bottom. That shows what is actually happening.

The majority of states now have a decreasing infection rate...!

A wild number of variables at play here, but seasonality is going to remain a big one, as all the southern states rose at the same time (and now the western European states are having their second wave at the height of their summers) (and now Minnesota)

Meanwhile, NYC is at least 25% immune and went over an enormous mountain to get there, but has not seen a second wave. It's figured maybe this is enough herd immunity to keep it at bay, at the current level of restricted social distancing.

school is starting back up, colleges are opening, fall is coming... you're more optimistic than i am about that, clearly, but i sure think things are about to get even worse before they get better unless serious steps are taken

sexobon 08-15-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1054943)
A Rural Area with Moderate Politics...

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1056551)
... Mail that used to be sorted locally is now being sent to other cities and sometimes other states for processing, even if the delivery address is in the same city as it was posted from. ...

A Rural Area with Moderate Politics near a Major USPS Processing Center.

tw 08-15-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1056556)
Go fuck yourself

How curious. That is exactly how Donald Trump thinks. And his disciple Urbane Guerrilla.

sexobon 08-15-2020 09:15 AM

Undertrump?
Urbanetoad?

Undertoad 08-15-2020 11:57 AM

There's always an explanation, sometimes it is malice sometimes not; bad reporters just go with the narrative, good reporters ask more questions until they get to the explanation

https://katu.com/news/local/photo-ab...acing-old-ones

Ibby 08-15-2020 12:03 PM

replace them when is an important question i think

"we asked them and they said don't worry about it" isn't a very satisfying explanation imo

sexobon 08-15-2020 12:36 PM

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Postal Service will stop removing mailboxes

The removal of dozens of mailboxes in a handful of states set off a social media panic and some high-profile attention this week, but the U.S. Postal Service said the iconic blue boxes are just being moved to higher-volume areas. ...

... The agency said it would stop removing the boxes nationally until after the election. ...

... The Postal Service has close to 142,000 mailboxes across the country, and removes or relocates them on a case-by-case basis, according to agency spokesperson Kimberly Frum. ...

... “Historically, mailboxes have been removed for lack of use and installed in growth areas,” she said in an emailed statement. “When a collection box consistently receives very small amounts of mail for months on end, it costs the Postal Service money in fuel and work hours for letter carriers to drive to the mailbox and collect the mail. Removing the box is simply good business sense in that respect. It is important to note that anyone with a residential or business mailbox can use it as a vehicle to send outgoing mail." ...

The agency has focused in recent years on placing boxes in high-traffic areas such as shopping centers, business parks and outside grocery stores, she said, and removing them from low-traffic areas. ...

Griff 08-15-2020 03:03 PM

The agency has focused in recent years on placing boxes in high-traffic areas such as shopping centers, business parks and outside grocery stores, she said, and removing them from low-traffic areas. ...

So do we move them to Amazon warehouses?

sexobon 08-15-2020 04:33 PM

Postmaster General Bezos?

I don't think he'd want to take the pay cut.

Undertoad 08-16-2020 12:47 AM

USPS inspector general blog post in 2016: "Nationally, the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past 5 years."

Undertoad 08-17-2020 07:35 AM

This Medium post explains every angle of the entire USPS kerfluffle

Why this is on Medium, as opposed to in the NY Times or Wash Post?

Because people want to be inflamed, not informed

Clodfobble 08-17-2020 09:17 AM

This was good and I liked it.

Diaphone Jim 08-17-2020 11:48 AM

As pointed out at the beginning, Congress has the power to legislate about and fund the USPS.
DeJoy may be an honest guy, but Trump is not and we should not trust his motivation in appointing him.
Harper doesn't mention the state of postal services in other countries. I think it is better and one benefit of not spending every last dime on "defense" and not giving the farm to the already over-rich through tax cuts.
Stifling the vote by any means possible has been a conservative goal for decades.

Griff 08-17-2020 03:18 PM

When did The Medium become serious?

xoxoxoBruce 08-18-2020 11:18 PM

2 to 5 days to get first class mail 10 miles? Gimme a fucking break, I can send first class mail to MA, SD, FL, and TX in 2 days.

And Trump has no power over DeJoy? DeJoy who gave millions to the GOP over the last couple years and gave Trump $220,000 this spring, won't do Trump's bidding? Won't slow up the USPS to help his own company? Right, and the Great Pumpkin will bring the mail.:rolleyes:

Moving the mail costs money, more money to places like the islands off Alaska where they have to charter helicopters at least once a week. The most important job of the USPS is to service EVERYBODY no matter where they are. There are a lot of companies who want to take over lucrative routes in the city and leave the hard/expensive work to the USPS. This must not happen.

Flint 08-19-2020 02:33 PM

So the volume of mail has been decreasing over the last decade, and we've already been making adjustments to equipment, etc. for that same time (past five years from 2016, said IG). So what's the big rush to do it now, right now? Right before an election*?

*where, it would be careless NOT to mention, the incumbent candidate has repeatedly voiced his opinion that mail-in ballots will hurt his chances?

Which part of this am I not understanding?

Happy Monkey 08-19-2020 02:39 PM

They've just banned postal workers from witnessing ballots while working.

Article about Alaska in particular, but relevant for any state that requires witnesses.

Flint 08-19-2020 02:49 PM

that's probably unrelated to anything

Urbane Guerrilla 08-20-2020 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1056578)
Undertrump?
Urbanetoad?

Personally, I intend to handwalk my mailed/absentee ballot to the county center elections office -- next town up -- and avoid the post office and its troubles altogether.

From 4 November, I expect a good deal of comment and scrutiny of the balloting process on the radio talkshows. Should run at least a week or two.

And the word is the expected procedural and standards changes will take place *after* the first week of November.

Undertoad 08-30-2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1056541)
The majority of states now have a decreasing infection rate...!

Now only 16 states increasing, fewer day by day. South Dakota is having a bad time, Either Sturgis was a big vector, or it was just the middle North's turn as every region gets its own curve. Still, these numbers are in the hundreds, not thousands.

rt.live

xoxoxoBruce 08-30-2020 11:19 PM

I'd be shocked if Sturgis wasn't a vector, most of those guys/gals think it's all a big hoax perpetrated by Big Pharma, Hospital executives, politicians left or right, etc.

But it is still out there and still deadly for some people.
Apparently some people can get reinfected or get infected by a mutation.
Slowing does not mean stopped so wear a condom mask.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-31-2020 02:40 PM

Condomask. Practice safe social intercourse.

Griff 08-31-2020 05:13 PM

Pete had her third Biden sign stolen last night. Fresh sign in the ground this morning.

BigV 08-31-2020 06:11 PM

People are saying that empty suit and his ilk should be disemboweled.

I say that's empty talk by people who don't have the guts to engage other people with other ideas, which is why they want his, or yours. Cowards.

Flint 09-01-2020 03:51 PM

Update from a rural area with moderate politics:

Heavily armed right-wing militias have been coming to peaceful protests and screaming in people's faces, issuing threats against specific community members on social media (worded to circumvent the FB standards), organizing meetings to discuss "taking back" the county "by force" and offering rewards for "the ashes of pride flags" and issuing "hunting licenses" for individuals who question their behavior or operate openly LGBT-friendly businesses.

If your yard sign being stolen is the worst thing happening in your area, stay where you are.

Undertoad 09-02-2020 12:40 AM

Stay home and enjoy the bandwidth. Where we're going, there is no "area".

Starlink satellites #649-708 are going into space tomorrow. They are planning to launch limited US service when they have 800 up. So that's probably two launches from now.

Sign up now, so that you can be among the first beta testers

Griff 09-02-2020 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 1057313)
Update from a rural area with moderate politics:

Heavily armed right-wing militias have been coming to peaceful protests and screaming in people's faces, issuing threats against specific community members on social media (worded to circumvent the FB standards), organizing meetings to discuss "taking back" the county "by force" and offering rewards for "the ashes of pride flags" and issuing "hunting licenses" for individuals who question their behavior or operate openly LGBT-friendly businesses.

If your yard sign being stolen is the worst thing happening in your area, stay where you are.

True words, outside of the ongoing target shooting and blasting at the quarries Griff Crackertopia is quiet. Little diversity here this area has already been taken.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1057352)
Stay home and enjoy the bandwidth. Where we're going, there is no "area".

Starlink satellites #649-708 are going into space tomorrow. They are planning to launch limited US service when they have 800 up. So that's probably two launches from now.

Sign up now, so that you can be among the first beta testers

Yeah, I prefer to hope we get our shit together. The end of American Civilization in HD? Sign me up!

Flint 09-03-2020 02:40 PM

Latest update:

The right-wingers have a list of addresses they believe are "associated with" the recent shooting in Portland. They are going to people's houses to harass and intimidate them. They are gathering in large, heavily-armed numbers in front of businesses that have spoken out against them.



Local police/government are setting up one-on-one meetings with concerned citizens, presumably to explain why they can't do anything but sit back and watch.

Griff 09-29-2020 06:39 AM

A few more Biden signs are sprouting around here. I took signs to the lady whose Biden banner was stolen off her porch. She was very grateful to get them what with the Trump billboard looming over her house. It may have been the :fumette: talking though.

This election is a strain on everyone especially sane Republicans and independents who live in deep red.

https://apnews.com/article/election-...47a3a0e932e2a8

Undertoad 10-03-2020 08:10 AM

FWIW Franconia was 90/10 Biden signs

Griff 10-03-2020 10:17 AM

That's not what I expected.

Undertoad 10-03-2020 10:46 AM

J says "More than 90-10, I only saw 3 Trump signs the whole time."

richlevy 10-03-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1057263)
Pete had her third Biden sign stolen last night. Fresh sign in the ground this morning.

If you have some poison oak or ivy on your property? Just curious.

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Griff 10-03-2020 08:54 PM

We don’t but you can get grease and glitter in red and blue. Thing is escalating it wouldn’t be a win. Pete just brings the grabable sign in at night. We went to a rally of like minded folks today (distance masks outdoors) it was a relief just to know there are others out here even if we have to drive across the county to prove it. We met the House candidate seems like a nice dude.

richlevy 10-04-2020 06:08 PM

Someone put out a Biden sign in our neighborhood (there are quite a few of them). Someone left the sign but placed a handwritten note stating that political signs are illegal according to our homeowners association and at the end added quote go Trump.

FYI, my wife was on the board when this was discussed years ago and political signs are allowed within size limits.

The complaintant adding the go Trump statement did turn what could have been a genuine concern into a partisan tactic.

Also, leaving a handwritten note instead of actually complaining to the board was an act of cowardice and intimidation.



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sexobon 10-04-2020 08:01 PM

Perhaps the complainant didn't report it to the board because the complainant knew the political sign wasn't illegal according to the homeowners association and was just bluffing figuring anyone who would promote Biden was gullible enough to fall for it.

This perspective is supported by the complainant having added the Go Trump note which could have also constituted an illegal political sign there; unless, the complainant already knew what complainant wrote wasn't true.


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