No automated program is going to keep her eyelashes in place or keep the bits of whisps of hair on her brow. That takes hand work and detail. I think that guy is good and I've done a lot of photoshopping in my time.

It's not exactly automated. It's just smarter than the rest.

I agree that he's good. My whole point is that you don't need to be a wizard to make your photos look better.

I think we are all waiting for your version Dave.

Not quite. I am rude to demonstrate to people how un-fun it is when someone's an asshole to you, and to give the impression that it's not worth their time to be an asshole to me because of my capability of being a bigger asshole to them.

Isn't that what I just said?

No. You said "be nice", which is decidedly different. Angelus isn't nice to me. He ignores me. And that's okay. I don't mind.

Indifference is fine. People that are nice to me are fine too. But if you want to be an asshole, then I do too. That's all.

You didn't manage to prove your point that you could retouch a photo "something like that" in twenty minutes (or seconds), but you sure did manage to prove who the bigger asshole is.

I don't believe that was ever in contention, you babbling retard.

So, do you act the same way in real life discussions?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah. You would be surprised. (It strains relationships, but it usually gets the point across.) What you see here is what you get. I'm no different when I'm not at a computer.

I find it happens less frequently in real life, however, because others are far less rude. But when they are, I'm on them as quick as I am here.

You might want to stretch and breathe deeply, relax and think about butterflies and kittens, or maybe take a break and eat some friut or something cause I think your gonna bust a vein. You get worked up too easy.

It's really hard to take you seriously. I think it is because you have to fall back on big words, vulgar langauage and namecalling.

I think what she means is that up to a certain point, most people just don't let such slights bother them.

Again, you're ignorant of me. I don't get worked up. I'm calm as can be when I write these things. The only person that could get me worked up is (thankfully) gone.

(FYI, "your" implies ownership, whereas "you're" is what you're looking for - a contraction of "you" and "are". So where I might want to take a break, you might want to go to school.)

And these people are, of course, <b>enablers</b>. Sure, you can act like an asshole for no reason! People love it when you unreasonably question their integrity!

Translation: "I can't take you seriously because I am a dumb hick from Tennessee and I don't understand the big words you use. Being in the Bible Belt, I know that curse words are bad, though, so I will assume the worst of you."

Well, for my hypothetical "most people", if it doesn't bother them then they have no vested interest in stopping it, do they?

Perhaps not at the onset. The behavior grows worse, however, which is what I was going to write up but decided against it. I'm busy at work so I'm not going to waste any more time here (unless it's responding to Anne, who I just couldn't stand to let have the last word).

I decided to give it a try, I've had some light experince with this stuff. Below is the result of about 25 minutes worth of work in Paint Shop Pro 8. I intentionally left a little bit of texture and detail in an effort to keep her looking more like a human than a doll. And it's hard to tell with the half-and-half layout, but I narrowed her jaw a little, and her nose. I also very slightly adjusted an eye position.

Sure, it's not quite up to the original artist's standards, but I think I am getting pretty close, particularly for an ameteur using cheap software, and in only 25 minutes. My point? Dave was right... it is amazing how much an untrained person can accomplish in photo retouching with powerful software. And Paint Shop Pro isn't even as good as iPhoto at this stuff.

By the way, pointing out that Dave is an asshole like pinching a loaf in the bathtub... it's a meaningless, unimpressive waste of energy and in the end you just end up getting shit all over yourself.

When everyone has finished with their renditions of this poor woman's face, it would be neat to see them all side by side, along with explanations of how the effects were achieved (and why you made those particular choices).

I think that this guys site is one of the most amazing I've ever seen.. The one pic of the blond girl is incredible: You see the first pic, and she looks like a "normal" magazine-type girl.. If you weren't specificly looking for it, you wouldn't think that she'd been airbrushed, or really that anything had been done to her appearance.
Then you mouse-over it, and the real her looks *HIDEOUS* in comparison.

But only in comparison.

Because I bet that if you saw the "real" her first, you would think she is a pretty good-looking person, and if you saw her in the street, you might even look twice.

At least.. that's how it appeared to me.


One other question.. did any of you touch the pupils in your photographs? I had always heard that larger (bigger black parts) pupils were considered "more attractive" (pupils are dilated, which is a natural effect of sexual arousal) than small pupils..

But when I look at the close-up details of a lot of the eyes on that guys site, he has made them smaller..

hmmm.

I altered her eyes, not deliberately increasing her pupil, but just fiddling with the contrast and hue. I like blue eyes.

I think you did a really good job, better even than a couple of the folks I work with would who are paid to know how to do photo work.

The whole thing was just a miscommunication, really. Just a face is easy to touch up, and in fact I proved Dave's point for him by retouching the face myself (although I did use photoshop, because it's what I am used to). I read his comments:

to mean that he, or anyone else could have done the same or closely comparable quality of work to the entire photo in twenty seconds (which somehow got turned into 20 minutes somewhere in the thread), her body, the retouch, recontouring her hands, everything. Turns out that's not exactly what he meant, but it's what I took it for. I had begun my response before he had even added his next entry to the thread qualifying his first remark.

As to the argument, that's just part of the fun. You'll never have an opinion without someone disagreeing, even violently sometimes. With someone as short fused as Dave you just have to roll with it sometimes, and I was getting tickled fantisizing about him getting spittle-flecking mad.

Got to go now and fry up a mess of possum and okra for Cletus and the twins...

The only person who said that was Anne, and she's new, so she can hardly be expected to have already formed an opinion about him.

That's where it came from.

Not to further be an asshole, but I take issue with your claim that you started your response before I had clarified. The time between your post and my second is like six hours.

To be fair, I said it too.

Hey, if you read what I said how she interpreted it, my claims sound pretty bogus!

But if you read it how I meant it (i.e., just the face, which is what was posted here), then I still stand by 'em.

So I have an idea. I will apologize for dragging this out so long, and Anne will promise to, in the future, ask for clarification before she starts acting like a big meanie. :whofart:

It was a time warp, I swear.

Can you time warp us to like 7 PM, so I can get the fuck outta here and go home?

You don't need to apologize, I thought at least half of what you said was toung-in-cheek and just to keep me going.

It sounds perverse, maybe, but I really have enjoyed participating in this thead and sparring with you. It's made me feel like I belong.

If I could, I'd warp us all the way to Friday afternoon.

Shit, you guy are spoiling everything.
Never fails, good shoot-um-up gets going and they start kissin' and stuff.
I'm goin' for popcorn.:mad:

Couldn't resist.
 

I had to take my shot at it. Mind you, I spent 10 minutes on this, so there is that. But still, it was fun, playing with it to see what would be overboard and what wouldn't.

I wanted a go at it...
 

So here tis. Corel PHOTO-PAINT 7. Very quick stab. Under 10 minutes. How'd I do?

Re: I wanted a go at it...
 

I suppose I should include the pic.

That's some out of the box thinking, effective technique, good work!

The thing that gets me about the example that we're using, though is ... well, if the lighting were different, half of that touch-up work wouldn't be necessary. There are ways to light someone who has skin that is that reflective, and you certainly don't need to leave such big shadows under the eyes. It seems like lots of the examples on his site are just poor photography or lazy set preperation being fixed in post. Now, it might be cheaper to do it that way, often, but that doesn't necessarily show great AD.

Absolutely. The eyes are very badly shadowed and the spectral lighting really emphasizes the skin imperfections. It looks like they used just one photo flood with no diffuser.

However, the artist did more than fix that; he also narrowed her jawline, and did very nice work around the eyes to remove the creases without making the picture look obviously fake. If you look at the whole-body picture you can see he narrowed her waistline and her right arm, increased her bustline, and turned her right hand somewhat. That's not just fixing photographic issues.

"ACME Modeling Agency... our models can be fixed in fewer steps."

DNK I think you did a fabulous job of downloading the image from the beginning of this thread, reflecting it 90 degrees, and reposting it as your own airbrush work.

I've been thinking about it, and I think the guy, Greg Adpodaca, cheated a little by doing his airbrush work, and then taking the original image and using an unsharp filter on it to accentuate her imperfections to make his finished product comparison that much more dramatic.

I'm not sure about all the digital photo touch-up computer programs mumbo-jumbo, but if I knew how much they touched stuff up I would have pursued a career in modeling. Even on a bad day I look better than that chick. I was going to try and get on ABC's Extreme Makeover show, but I can just send you guys/gals a pic and let you have a go at improving my looks. It would be a lot less painful:biggrin:

That may very well be true, but on the other hand she probably doesn't have a screen name that sounds like a sexually transmitted disease.

Touche Net! Actually I'm not all that attractive, but I figure if your being paid to be a model you shouldn't have to be airbrushed to death. At least I feel a little better knowing that pretty much every chick in a mag. really isn't all that great looking in real life. Take that blonde for example, sure she looks better than I do in her before pic, but after a tweek of the pixels she looks totally different. Not even the same person really, but the point is she is getting paid to be beautiful and after all is said and done she got paid to look like someone better looking than herself. So, why couldn't I do the same thing? I've been living under the false assumption that you have to beautiful to begin with to be a model.

As to my screen name, it has nothing at all to do w/STD's. I'm merely a Bugs Bunny fan and thought LUVBUGZ was better than I LOVE BUGS BUNNY. Any suggestions on something better?

How about something that isn't in all caps? :)

Yea, I was thinking that myself. It is kind of a pain to hit caps lock all the time. I'll wait until I hear Net's comment before I make a change since he seem's to be the one having a problem with it. Not that it matters what he thinks, I'm just curious what suggesions he comes up with. Thanks:)

I like LUVBUGZ.:p

Well, perhaps the guy took way too much Vitrol.
We have a similar word in English ... Vitriol. The former is probably something put out by Squibb or E.I. Lilly, and contains the following warnings: People who had birth mothers should not take Vitrol. The incidence of exanguanation, profuse bleeding from the armpits, and spontaneous femoral combustion was found to be nominal. Some patients reported losing their sight after taking Vitrol. Talk to your Doctor about Vitrol.

Now, folks, I am only kidding. Please don't think I am trying to do anything other than mess around.
Have fun.

What the hell have you been smoking?
Where can I get some?
:D

You're the dirty old man...we thought YOU had the stash.

I've just read (and understood) OnyxCougars' signature. Ouch.

The operative word being "had".:blunt:

What stash are we talking about?

DAMIFINO? :blunt:

so, did that mac ever boot up, or what?

;)

Processors died and were replaced. Main hard drive shit the bed. Lost about 100GB of data that I really didn't want to lose. Still don't have it back, but should within the next week.

Look , u can discusse all u want in here, the fact is...there are millions a peeps in the world...some got the talent , some need more practice..but there is exellent work everywhere...I never had any graphics in school or anything, im 30 and just bought a cheep camera, the program with it is real simple....the pics dont look so real, but its fun...and isnt that the main thing??
Oh, by the way, i used to be a white boy!! Now i know i can cut and paste eyebrows and stuff, but i dont think its bad for just after one day having the " toy" hahaha

If that picture's not you, then you owe somebody one hell of an apology.:haha:

i wouldnt try it unless it was me! hahahaha i got plenty other ones too, im getting the hang of it i guess, here's an updated one!!

i got way too red in color! hahaha