Originally posted by Radar Unbelievable yet believable.

Hey, when you consider it's Radar, it all makes sense in a demented sort of way.

Those human emotions I was talking about, Radar? I think you just proved you don't have 'em.

Keep working on it. Perhaps someday you can join the human race.

- Pie

My emotions are just fine Pie, and I'm as much a member of the human race as Ghandi, Martin Luther King Junior, and Mother Theresa were.

Radar makes perfect sense. If you operate under the premise that Reagan was a bad man, than it's perfectly natural to say that the bad man is in Hell now that he is dead.

You may disagree with Radar that Reagan was bad, but his sentiments are perfectly rational, given his assumtions.


I won't point out the irony of Radar talking about Hell when he argued against the existence of God in the religion thread. Oh, wait. I just pointed it out. Damnit!

Yeah, I'm on his ignore list too; however, I got so tired of reading his diatribes, which usually had absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject, that I returned his favor. With the amount of variation that he shows, he might as well just cut and paste from a prepared rant on notepad or something.

Oh, not so. Radar's diatribes are always to the point. You're thinking of TW.:)

I'm just amazed at how moderate Reagan looks today. Geez.

My favorite Reagan bit is the old SNL sketch were he's dottering, chuckling, getting a photo op with girl scouts in the oval office, calling Nancy "mommy" or such... then when they leave and the doors shut, he turns into articulate brain, mastermind, taking charge ordering everyone around.

RIP, alzheimers is good to escape.

While I don't believe in an afterlife, I do believe in hell. I've seen it right here on earth in every country that has had to suffer through communism, fascism, etc. And I was speaking figuratively about hell.

I tend to lean toward Buddhism and certain sects of buddhist believe EVERYONE goes to hell until they work off all the bad things they've done. If this is true, Reagan will be in hell for a bit less than Hitler and more than Clinton. Bush will be there for about the same length of time as Hitler.

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What I meant is, no matter what the subject, radical radar will find a way to link it to libertarianism....

That, I think, speaks volumes. He didn't run agains someone so much as he rain toward something, and articualted it with such clarity that people joined him.

I disagreed with much of what he stood for, but I think the first Clinton run shared that same characteristic.

-sm

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‘One for the Gipper’
"Someday when things are tough, maybe you can ask the boys to go in there and win just one for the Gipper." —Portraying football player George Gipp in the film “Knute Rockne, All American,” 1940
'Shining city on a hill'
Let us resolve tonight that young Americans will always ... find there a city of hope in a country that is free.... And let us resolve they will say of our day and our generation, we did keep the faith with our God, that we did act worthy of ourselves, that we did protect and pass on lovingly that shining city on a hill." — Election Eve speech, Nov. 3, 1980
‘We have piled deficit upon deficit’
"For decades, we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.
You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we are not bound by that same limitation?" —Inaugural address, Jan. 20, 1981
‘Tear down this wall’
“If you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here, to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” —Speech at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
‘Grown beyond the consent of the governed’
"We are a nation that has a government — not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth. Our government has no power except that granted it by the people. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed." —Inaugural address, Jan. 20, 1981

‘A special interest group that has been too long neglected’
"We hear much of special interest groups. Our concern must be for a special interest group that has been too long neglected.
"It knows no sectional boundaries or ethnic and racial divisions, and it crosses political party lines. It is made up of men and women who raise our food, patrol our streets, man our mines and our factories, teach our children, keep our homes, and heal us when we are sick—professionals, industrialists, shopkeepers, clerks, cabbies, and truck drivers.
"They are, in short, 'We the people,' this breed called Americans." —Inaugural address, Jan. 20, 1981
‘I forgot to duck’
"Honey, I forgot to duck." — 1981, Reagan to his wife, as he recovered gunshot wounds after an assassination attempt by John Hinckley on March 30, 1981
‘A time of reckoning’
"An almost unbroken 50 years of deficit spending has finally brought us to a time of reckoning. We have come to a turning point, a moment for hard decisions. I have asked the Cabinet and my staff a question, and now I put the same question to all of you: If not us, who? And if not now, when? It must be done by all of us going forward with a program aimed at reaching a balanced budget. We can then begin reducing the national debt." —Second inaugural address, Jan. 21, 1985
‘Render nuclear weapons obsolete’
"For decades, we and the Soviets have lived under the threat of mutual assured destruction; if either resorted to the use of nuclear weapons, the other could retaliate and destroy the one who had started it. Is there either logic or morality in believing that if one side threatens to kill tens of millions of our people, our only recourse is to threaten killing tens of millions of theirs?
"I have approved a research program to find, if we can, a security shield that would destroy nuclear missiles before they reach their target. It wouldn't kill people, it would destroy weapons. It wouldn't militarize space, it would help demilitarize the arsenals of Earth. It would render nuclear weapons obsolete." —Second inaugural address, Jan. 21, 1985
‘Whatever else history may say’
“Whatever else history may say about me when I'm gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears....
“May all of you as Americans never forget your heroic origins, never fail to seek divine guidance and never lose your natural, God-given optimism.” —Speech to Republican National Convention, Aug. 17, 1992
‘Go ahead, make my day’
"I have only one thing to say to the tax increasers: Go ahead, make my day." —March 13, 1985, in a speech threatening to veto legislation raising taxes.
‘You don't become president of the United States’
"When people tell me I became president on January 20, 1981, I feel I have to correct them. You don't become president of the United States. You are given temporary custody of an institution called the presidency, which belongs to our people." — Address to the Republican national convention. Aug. 15, 1988

These two nearly made me vomit.

"For decades, we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.
You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we are not bound by that same limitation?"
—Inaugural address, Jan. 20, 1981


"An almost unbroken 50 years of deficit spending has finally brought us to a time of reckoning. We have come to a turning point, a moment for hard decisions. I have asked the Cabinet and my staff a question, and now I put the same question to all of you: If not us, who? And if not now, when? It must be done by all of us going forward with a program aimed at reaching a balanced budget. We can then begin reducing the national debt."
—Second inaugural address, Jan. 21, 1985

Reagan is the single worst deficit spender in world history (followed closely by GWB). The unmitigated gall of this scumbag to speak out against it is enough to make me puke.

i forget, which date on the calendar did the world cease to exist because of reagan's deficit spending?

Radar appears to be making Buddism up as he goes along. I don't know of ANY Buddhist sect that believes this. The Tibetans have entities which they call "hell-beings," but these creatures were demons all along. Just setting the record straight for everyone else since Radar doesn't read my posts.;)

After my initial post in this thread, i kind of got behind. I have skimmed it briefly, and would just like to clarify something:

RIP stands for Rest In Peace.

it would seem as though some of us were under the impression that this was a thread intended to rip ( ie criticize ) Ronald Reagan.

as I said, I was politically unaware of his doings, but i don't see the value in defaming the dead. Even if he was your mortal enemy......what good does bashing him do? If you disliked him so much, you should have said so when he was alive. It's too late now. knock it off.

well put, LJ.

so you respect radar as a human being, then?

-just wanted to make sure you knew i could still be a dick :)

Wow! I use big multiexcessive consonant words? Really? Do they make any sense? Just curious.;)

Oh, that. Well, it looked good at the time, what can I say?:D

Good point. I spent a lot of the eighties thinking that someone was going to set off the "big one". I remember my best friend, her brother and I went on local television to speak against nuclear war. It was very emotional. :(

*peeks at the website provided* Christ, what a reminder. And then we saw "The Day After" in Social Studies class...scary. :eek:

Reagan: He didn't cause the world to cease to exist.

There you go with those rules again.:rolleyes:

While I think Radar is a useless nigger, he has the right to say whatever he wants...unless UT decides to cut him off.

:D (Doubled over with laughter, unable to think of an obscure multi-syllabic reply)

Uhmmmm... LJ, I don't think its so wise to in effect delare open season around here. We all know where that can lead, right?:eek:

Wait, I thought Hitler was the janitor...?

They're only rules if you think I have any authority......which I don't. So go easy, Conan. I know you're my conscience and all, and you do a fine job of it, but let me have a little fun once in a while, huh?

all i was trying to point out with the question is that the world didn't come to a cataclysmic end due to deficit spending.

nope - he's the proctologist.

The crisis department supervisor today announced her theory that Princess Diana is not dead, because we never saw a body. She and Dodi just went underground to escape the noteriety. That Di's mom mysteriously died on an isolated island off the Scottish Coast recently is supposed to be some kind of supportive evidence for her wacky theory.

I suggested that perhaps she's shacking up with Jim Morrison.

Hitler, Ted Bundy, and Charles Manson, if I'm not mistaken, are classified as "human" also, at least, that's what my cookbook says.

Most people would have simply stopped at useless. Why the extra qualifier?

I did say it when he was alive, and I see no reason to stop now. He didn't deserve any respect when he was alive, so why should I offer it now. I am seriously thinking about waiting in line so I can spit on his coffin.

I'll be watching the news.

I'd give money to see you actually try it...

...and survive it.

I don't think something that trivial would be on the news, and I don't know if it's worth the 5-8 hours it would take me to drive to simi valley and to wait.

I can always dance on his grave or piss on it after he's buried. That would be a suitable and well-deserved sign of disrespect for the man too.

I would easily do it, and not have a scratch on me when I was done. It's just a matter of waiting to get there, not a matter of dealing with any upset people.

Sir, for someone who has said he's worked as a bartender, you have little to no grasp of human behavior.

to what end? do you think he'll change his evil ways NOW?

Everyone knows that you are of strong political conviction, Radar. By insulting the dead, however, you only tarnish your own image. This bothers me enough to say something because you are so frustrating. Here's why.

I agree with most of the tenants you uphold. I think that you're usually pretty funny...even if some people don't get the joke..... so, in theory, I like you. In practice, though, sometimes you make that difficult. I have not found myself on the opposite side of a debate from you, so I have not personally experienced your fillibuster jedi technique. Maybe because we see things in a similar way. who knows. but, anyway.....you can bash the dead if you want to, but in the end, i think you only serve to undermine your own already dubious (to some) credibility.

LOL @ "fillibuster jedi technique"

Look man, I realize some people loved him but every single one fo those people who did are the people who ARE THE PROBLEM with America and I am the solution.

Those who supported Reagan fell for his charm. He was an old guy acting like a President and what made him especially dangerous is that he stole libertarian phrases and claimed to want smaller government while making government larger than anyone ever before. The guy was truly evil and I don't see how sugarcoating this fact or weeping over his corpse will change that.

As far as credibility goes, having questionable credibility among those who can't seem to grasp reality around them anyway doesn't bother me. Everything to them has questionable credibility.

And no, spitting on his grave would not serve any purpose to correct his actions. It would be purely a selfish act to make myself feel better.

well, as long as your motives are admittedly personal, and self serving, and you're ok with that, go ahead and piss on his grave or spit in his cold dead eye. just do it in your mind instead of real life so that you don't get arrested or photographed. no telling what damage that could do to your political career. ;)

This'll drive you insane, then:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/08/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

"Ronald Reagan's face could one day adorn the $10 bill or half the dimes minted in the country, if fans of the late president get their way.

USA Today reported Tuesday that Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., plans to sponsor legislation to have Reagan replace Alexander Hamilton, the nation's first treasury secretary, on the $10 bill.

Meanwhile, an effort is underway in the House, led by Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-Calif.), to put Reagan's face on the $20. "

Why not?

They're also trying to put him on Rushmore.

My point was that some bit of information, some idea or opinion had to have prompted the word.

I'm just curious as to what it was.

A peek into your psyche as it were.

like i said earlier - you're a real class act radar.

i would venture to say there are some on here who feel you are unworthy of respect, but i don't believe anyone here will waste any time dancing upon your grave.

ok, i'm willing to start a pool of money and put it up in a double dog dare. come on radar, show us what a tough guy you are.

i think some of the secret service who will be working that day probably were there when reagan was in office and actually might have liked the guy. i'm not so sure that you would walk out of the room after your "interview"

ROFLMAO! radar is paraphrasing stallone in cobra! uh, oh - is radar's solution anything like the final solution? i better work to stay off the shitlist then.

They could have Reagan's face tattooed onto the forehead of every newborn in America at birth, and for hardcore Reaganoids, it _still_ wouldn't be enough to honor his "accomplishments."

I'm hoping that when Reagan goes into the ground, McConnell, Rohrbacher, Tom DeLay and Grover Norquist all volunteer to go with him, so that the Gipper will have some traveling companions on his way down^H^H^H^Hup.

(This is one time that I wish that I believed in a Christian hell or heaven, so that I could place wagers on Ronnie's destination.)

I have to admit, it'd be classic if he did and got either arrested/publically humiliated all over the media for weeks or wasted by the half a million cops patrolling the place with nervous trigger fingers.

I think he sees himself as a cross between rambo, all the founding fathers he liked and james bond with the women so this comes as little surprise.

like i said. some of us don't get your humor.

some of it would be humorous if i thought he was kidding. i really think radar has what is a called a reality disconnect somewhere along the line. that might not be a technical term though.