oh, yeah, well....that part i agree with.

so, lets get it straight:

conversation is ok

omg, rofl, lmao is not

deep thought good, confirmatory responses bad

is confirmatory a word?

where does senseless ranting fall?

how about generalized negativity?

when i read the original post in this thread, my first reaction (as i'm sure is true of many of you) was to apply what he said to my own personal habits. I see that sometimes i post a response like a quip or a pun, and for the most part, that does not have any real worth. yet, if i was standing in a room talking to you folks, thats what i would say.

the other thing i thought was that if we all took great care in replying, and never shot from the hip like many of us do, we'd never get to know one another. i could if i chose, write verbose and melodic prose that sounds like it belongs on a greeting card, with perfect punctuation, and grammar, but that is not me. you want that shit, go read a fucking greeting card. We could all concentrate on composing one well thought out post per week complete with research, supporting facts and links to more information, but i doubt that it would be very exciting.

i have an idea. and i dont mean this sarcastically at all.

HubrisBoy, you have a point. you also have a standing offer of a user based forum. ask UT to set it up for you, and have rules. moderate it. only allow well thought out posts, and delete the crap posts. if people know going in that there are guidelines, i think they'll respect them. i know i would. that way, you dont have to go start your own site, but you can proudly maintain a higher level of thought within your forum walls.

I sorta look at the cellar as that cool little restraunt that you find on some back street , at first no body but the folks that look for such know about it , then word spreads , then a crowd starts gathering because they have good food , then the old timers can't get tables any more get pissed off and stomp off , and a new crowd of regulars start it all over again .

Thats life , ever changeing , allways a challange , most of the time its worth sticking around just to see what happens next .

Personaly I don't have any problem with the way the cellar rejuvinates its self , I find it facanating watching the folks come and go , some assholes , some not . Interesting crowd mostly .


Just my 2 cents .

Well, you sure seem bitter, Jag, what's up with you? I am in the rather ironic position of probably being the oldest one (in age) posting here, while at the same time being a kitten with its eyes barely open when it comes to length of time since I discovered the Cellar. I, too, was enticed here by an ad on another board (it was a slow day and I wondered what the heck all those monkey's on typewriters was about). If you guys don't want new members, you should stop putting out lures for them. I'm sure the ad which brought me downstairs here cost UT a pretty penny since it appeared on a rather glossy "high profile" site. Why's UT throwing his money away if you guys don't want us?

Frankly, I think some people are just upset because they're being forced to adjust their comfort zones. "Good ole Cellar," you could always check in for a few minutes and see the same points of view posted by the same old members. Now all of a sudden you have to deal with the likes of me and LJ and DanaC (haven't seen much of her lately, maybe she got disgustred - a shame), and labrat etc.,etc., and even Tomas R. there for a while.

Well, I'll tell you what, IMO, even Tomas had something worthwhile to contribute. Yeah, he could be an annoying kid, but he was posting in a language foreign to him from a country that has some pretty different values then the U.S. does, and he actually said some interesting stuff (sometimes, anyhow).

And while I know full well that I annoy the hell out of some people around here, in all due humility I don't think my posts (or LJ's or labrat's or DanaC's or most of the other newbies) lack in intelligence. All too often, it's the oldtimer's who will post some trite one line reply about "tree huggers" or how big their wang is or "LOL" or just some stupid emoticon. Go back and look thru the threads if you don't believe me.

Have YOU been in an AOL chatroom lately, Jag? I hope for your sake you haven't. I wandered into one out of curiosity a while back and it was a highly depressing experience. There is simply no comparison. Jag, I agree with you on a lot of things, but not this one. I hate to "pull rank" on you, but the things one believes to be intellectually fascinating at 16 become childishly boring at 19 and not even worth noticing at 21. Did it ever occur to you, that it is you who are developing a keener sense of insight rather than the cellar becoming polluted by an influx of new blood?

Since I consider you a cyber-friend, I'll make you a challenge: Name your issue and I'll meet you with the opposing point of view (whether its mine or not), and I promise you won't be bored by my replies.;)

This is UT's board not "you guys" board.:) Don't think so.;) Is that what a bbs is for? I thought chat rooms were for getting to know each other and bbs' for the exchange of ideas. The Cellar seemed to be a unique combination of the two. I think it vacillates, but seems to come back to center, repeatedly. I guess in the end, there's enough threads for it to be all things to all people.:)

I think of it as you guys' board more than my board... actually, truth be told it's somewhere in between.

I think of it as Bob Dobbs's board, but that's from a prior age.

Actually, I would like to take this opportunity to thank UT for making this board available to us all. While we may have our petty squabbles (or grand verbal wars), the Cellar is all in all, a varied and interesting board with many intelligent and thoughtless posters. Thanks, UT!;)

hip hip... c'mon don't leave me hanging now... HOORAY forUT

The PayPal tip jar is at the bottom of the front page.;)

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]Shhhh! What if Bruce already knows that?[/size] :eek:

My bad.:blush:

The only thing between the 'b' and the 's' is 'ull'.

See! This is what HB was talking about.:haha:

OMG!:eek:

oops

My power goes out for a day, and look at the excitement I miss!

"a poster is only as good as his/her last post"...I disagree. I try to look at the person as a whole. While I try to respect everyone, there are some people here whose words I give more thought and value b/c those people have earned it. And if you're nothing but an asshole in my book, but then you start making some really good posts, it may take a while for me to take you seriously.

(Like you need my respect or approval, but that's just how I roll here.)

Shooting from the hip...sometimes, it can be very effective. But as a whole, I don't think people give too much thought to what they say. They just shoot off at the mouth or keyboard, only to sound like a dummy or feel like one later. Sometimes, it can't be helped, but I think it can be more often than not.

My hope is that the Cellar will keep its intellectual edge while not taking itself so seriously. Time will tell...

I've been looking at the Blog view of the IotDs for about 5 months now and lurking around the forums themselves for about a month. A couple of weeks ago I went ahead and joined for one main reason: This place looks like a FUN place to spend my time (especially at work...shh! :angel: )

What pulled me in (aside from wanting to contribute to the IofD posts) is the fact that there are so many varities of topics and threads on this forum. Most forums I frequent are geared towards something specific. Here, anything and everything goes.
To add to that, I really liked reading the posts. I liked the mixture of really smart posts and cute posts and funny posts... Half the time its the really simple "AOL" type posts that are the most enjoyable and humorous for me to read. A prime example: this thread itself. HB did the first post, presented in all its splendor et al. The very next post was nothing but "lol". That cracked me up.

See, I'm all for intellegent discussion. I enjoy intellegent discussion but I also like to laugh at silly stuff, too. Intellegent discussion doesn't always give way to humor and when it does it's usually dry, chuckle, in-the-know kind of humor. Not to say that's bad, it's just not the same as belly-laugh kind of humor. I like to laugh loud and hard. It's good for you, besides.

I'll grant y'all, I'm quite new here. I haven't read all of the threads in all of the forums all the way through so I really can't say I know what anyone means when they talk about how it used to be. But the way it sounds to me is that before, this forum was much like a group of professors standing in a little huddle in Prim And Proper University and speaking in a hushed polite murmur. In contrast, the way it seems to me now is this forum is more like a university Common Building, where people come in and out, hang out for a while, talk about important things or spread urban legends and gossip. That's what I like about this place, that Commons feel it has to it. It made me feel comfortable.

oh shit, who let a commoner in here?

Hey! After they let you in, they probably just figured they might as well let the rest of the hoi polloi come along, too. So now you're stuck with people like me and Cyberwolf.:D

You know, I have the same problem here in my neighborhood... it used to be that my neighbors and I would gather for large barbeques, pinics, and other worthwhile get-togethers all the time, but these days so many people just want to visit briefly out on the front porch, or to chat for a few minutes in passing on the street. Sure, occasionally I'll chat for a minute out by the mailbox, but most of the time, if my neighbors want the pleasure of my company, they'd better get the steaks and grills out!

I think it's because of a bunch of new people who have moved in recently... they don't always want to come to barbeques! They may not like barbeques, but I don't give a fuck.

I've been away from the neighborhood on vacation for a few months, and that's what I come back to? Sure, they all seem to enjoy it just fine, but it just doesn't suit me. I could move away, and find a community that fits me more closely, but I think instead I'll send a message out to the whole neighborhood... I'll tell them that I liked things better the old way... MY way... and that the neighborhood is now a waste of time. Maybe if I can get some of the other long-time residents to back me, we can straighten out the new people, and force them to come to our barbeques.... and any who won't, we can eventually drive out.

Oh wait... that would be whiny, self-absorbed, and a tad conceited. Silly me.

H_P... all i can say is wow.

sorry if that low level of sophistication offended anyone.

hmmm... Barbeque sauce, anyone? It's raining here and has been for days. I can't BBQ a thing! (sniffle).;)

just in case you wanted to know, here are ALL of HB's posts for 2004: ( apart from the 2 in this thread, of course.

one wonders whether hb, who seems to have gone back to cloaked mode, posted this thread in despair of his own drop off in quality content.

HB, for the record, i never had any problems with you, and you seem like a nice enough person. but this thread has chafed my ass for days since i read it. i understand your intent, and appreciate the message. i agree to a point, even. but the result has been that you've offended a lot of folks who dont deserve it. I enjoy a good insult. I like to argue. I really like flame wars. this, however makes me want to turn my back on the whole enterprise. I know you're a squeaky wheel at this point, and your views are not upheld by the majority. so, i won't leave. it has, however taken some of the joy out of it for me.

listen to me:

the cellar you described in your first post no longer exists.

this is the current cellar. had you been more active, and led by example, perhaps it would be closer to your fond memories, but you didn't and it's not. None of those that you derided have the experience of that cellar, so it is monumentally unfair to expect them to hold to a standard that they have no knowledge of.

I resent this thread, this discussion, and your attitude.

for everyone(including HubrisBoy):

i enjoy your company. say what the fuck you want to say, be it a little or a lot. shallow or deep. pass the beer nuts.

A-fucking-men.

You ROCK, LJ!:thumb:

Wow you really are S U R L Y. :D

where do i sign up for "LJ" lessons.

You're being a bit overdramatic, don't you think?

you're funny, syc.

I wasn't trying to be humorous.

i know

Maybe we should open up another forum just soz you two can slug it out somewhere more fitting than threadriftland.

:zzz:

I asked Jim a serious question, and he's chosen to ignore it. *shrugs* No big deal.

sorry, syc, i'm still at work. last day of the month, don't ya know.

i thought it was funny because I made a comment just to express how i felt about hb's post, and you said i was being overdramatic.

it reminded me of when you and UT had a disagreement and you felt the same way, but stronger. strong enough to shut down the mainfestos and go your own way with them. ironic. i'm not making fun of you, and my brevity was just becasue i was in between printing forms for a deal, and didnt have time to expand upon what i was saying. you were justified in doing what you did if your feelings were real about what happened back then, and i am justified in saying that HB cost me some joy.

You're certainly entitled to your feelings, but I really don't think HB's comments are worth getting jacked up over.

jacking down. over

Yeah...and....I believe the proper phrase is "chapped my ass". Get yer shit togethor eh?

no, i said chafed, not chapped. chapped infers cold weather, and exposure to wind. while you are fond of exposing your ass, i am not. chafed means rubbed raw by something abrasive. like sand in your vagina.

oh yeah, and it's together, wisenheimer. or is that just your accent coming through in text? ;)

You'll have to forgive blue - he's been wearing chaps to Packers games for too long. Did I say Packers? Oops. :)

Well when do you use togethor then Einstein? It is a word right?

I don't have an accent, we talk normal here eh?

I'll have you know I wear an apron to Packer games Beestie....and yes the back is open, like a hospital gown...some Sunday, when you least expect it...yeah that'll be me ;-)

from dictionary.com:

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Maybe it's british.

nice try.

arse is, though. as in, talking out your....

Well.

After creating an original and compelling thread, one is always gratified to see a spirited response from the community for which it was intended.

Of course, only the Giants^™ among us will understand what I'm talking about; most of the Tards^™ will never be able to experience the sensation. Sad, really.


How would you know?


Where did I say that?

For some things, there's NEVER a time or place.

Three-quarters of the responses in this thread have been people chattering about what HB said. Problem is, HB didn't say most of the things that people are complaining about. Most of the Tards^™ who have responded in this thread aren't interested in addressing the point I was trying to make; they're just offended that somebody might dare take them to task for posting crap.

Well ya know what? To hell with them, and all the rest of the Lowest Common Denominator. They're the same people who are to blame for 'reality TV,' Ebonics, and warning labels that read "Do not use toaster in or around a bathtub."

The law says that I have to send my kids to school with their kids. And I have to sit next to them in restaurants. That's okay. But I don't have to tolerate their behavior here, and I won't. So if I see Tards^™ drawing a mustache on our copy of "The Flaying of Marsysas," or tethering a goat in the flower bed next to Current Events, or trying to leave their '75 Gremlin up on blocks in front of Home Base, I'm gonna call 'em on it.

This shit has been going on -and getting worse- for over a year. Enough.



This ain't a chatroom, you know. I'll respond when I have a chance. If that's not quick enough for you, too bad. Deal with it. I don't have as much free time as... some people.


That's just it: YOU'RE NOT standing in a room talking to folks.

If I were sitting on a toilet, I'd probably take a shit. But if I'm sitting in a crowded theater, I probably won't. You really oughta learn to be more aware of your surroundings.


I kept it as general as possible precisely to avoid pointing fingers at specific people.

But since you bring it up, Jim... you -and a few others- post too damn much, and much of what you post isn't very interesting. So I'd appreciate it if you'd rein it in a little.

There. Is that a more acceptable way of dealing with chaff?


Really?!? Wow. That's mighty generous of you, Jim. But I think I prefer to impose my own outdated standards on the community as a whole. But you also have a standing offer to download AOL Instant Messenger, and ROFL with others unimpeded. I think people would respect that. I know I would.


Huh? Where the hell did that come from? Please show me where I suggested that there's anything wrong with humor. Heck, I've even been known to inject a little humor into my own posts from time to time.

Important safety tip: Read first, then respond.



Yep. Ain't much there. I tend not to post when I don't have anything to say. You should try it.

I think it would be safe to say, HB, that the Cellar is no longer the place you knew, and it never will be again. But it is still enjoyable and valuable to the people who spend some of their time here. You haven't been an actively participating member lately, so any clout you may have possesed has largely evaporated. Lumberjim is a well-liked, respected member of this community, and from your recent posts, you're coming off as a crotchety, conceited whiner who stumbles in from time to time, and who is about as much fun as a carpet burn to the groin.

I'd take ONE of Lumberjim's posts over a dozen of yours. And I don't think I'm the minority. So, you can A) adapt to the community and be happy, B) continue whining and be ignored, or C) find someplace else to be intellectualy stimulated (and rest assured that whatever smarmy comeback you may imagine to be clever regarding the "intellectually stimulated" bit is painfully predictable and unfunny).

You like blunt? There it is.

edit: fixed a spelling error

HubrisBoy,

I feel your pain. no, wait. I don't .......that was gas.

Listen, I'd like it if you posted more. You're pretty damn funny and smart, and your smile is amazing. If you can get your average up over 5 per day ( starting today, 7/1) I'll keep mine under 10. sound fair?

and thanks, H_P. That means more coming from you than it would from most people. ~sniff~ I promised my self I wouldn't cry. ~sniff~ Damn. I'm ok, I'm ok. let me just get my self together here aminute. ~sniff~

yeah, ok. so, ehem.....I love you guys. ~sniff~

LJ, you just don't get it do you. OK, I'm gonna give it to ya straight:

[French accent]

You are inteeellectual pond scum
haugh, haugh
no, (self-congratulatory smirk) you, sir, are BELOW pond scum!
**sips wine - takes bit of brie - mumbles something with mouth full - picks food from beard- waves wine glass through air**
Noaux, I have eet now, you, how you say...LumberJeem are a Tard! Yes!! That eeees it! You are a Tard!!

[/French accent]

Now, DON'T make me talk down to you a-gaine!

:rolleyes:

ah, oiu. eees tru, aye yam zee Taaaerdd. haungh haughn.

and yu aarrrre az welll. ees a shem zat we aaallllgh canno be so breelliant and astoooot az zee ubrees boweey, no?

passez le wine, pleeyayze

a question for sycamore:

jag has apparently bailed on the cellar. at least for the time being. why did you have nothing to say to him about it, but you tell me i'm overreacting? is it different because he agrees with you and HB, or just that you enjoy breaking my balls more than his. Or did you take him to task privately?


ok, that was more than one question.

I'd like to see more of HB but nobody can average 5 posts a day without a poor signal to noise ratio.

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You trying to say something here? :p

SSCREEEEEEEEEEEEE! WEEEEOOOOO WEEEEEEOOOOO WEEEEEEOOOOOOO BONK BONK BONK SCREEEEEEEE CHCHCHCHCH CK CK CK CK SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH


can you hear me now?

You answered your own question here. Jag has apparently decided the Cellar isn't for him right now. If I see him online over the weekend, I'll give him some shit for it.

He overreacted...so did HB...so did you. I can understand why some of you newer folks might be pissed, but it just ain't that serious. Really.