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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 653741)

So you still fail to answer the question.

Why do you support Human Trafficing of people across our borders?

FAIL!

Move along loser. You proved my point, don't try putting words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 653745)

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American and European leftists share the conviction that the immigrant, legal or illegal, is always right -- and the native-born citizen's always wrong.

This bigotry toward the law-abiding American, Brit, Frenchman or Italian doesn't help the immigrant in the end. Instead, it's a powerful engine driving divisiveness.

There are deep differences between Europe's experience with legal immigrants intent on importing intolerant lifestyles and our problem with illegals responsible for social friction and violent criminality.

But the left's blame-game is identical: Anyone who doesn't elevate the "rights" of the immigrant over the rights, safety and desires of the citizen is a bigot. No exceptions. Could there be a formula better designed to excite anti-immigrant sentiment?

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Given that there are deep differences, I have no idea why Europe has even been mentioned. Our current immigration problems are also due to illegal immigration (mostly Chinese and African workers being smuggled in and controlled by traffickers), or legal working immigrants from the EU that people fear are taking all the low paid jobs.

Very occasionally you might hear about fears of terrorism from Muslims, but even then it is British born Muslims. Mostly, people complain about the white Christian Europeans undercutting British builders/ plumbers/ cleaners etc.

This doesn't add anything to the previous discussion, but where the situation in this country is misrepresented I think it's worth correcting. And no, we don't have any reasonable answers. Except the BNP. Who want to see British citizens of foreign descent shipped back to where they came from. That's Grandad back to Ireland for sure. I'll keep you up to date on whether that filters down to Mum, my siblings & niece & nephew.

get your own drug wars.

wow. this is a new low--kidnapped from your own wedding right out of the church:

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A groom kidnapped by gunmen during a wedding at a Juárez church is reportedly from a small community in New Mexico.

The kidnapped groom, Rafael Morales, is from La Mesa, located between El Paso and Las Cruces, Channel 9-KTSM (cable Channel 10) reported on Sunday.

Morales, his brother Jaime Morales and their uncle Guadalupe Morales were taken away after gunmen burst into the wedding ceremony on Friday evening at El Señor de la Misericordia Catholic church. The men remain missing.

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Moments after the brazen kidnapping, family members were outraged at the inability of law enforcement to curb the city's crime wave and the lack of respect shown by criminals in breaching a religious service, according to numerous news accounts out of Juárez.

"The police don't do anything, the (expletive) soldiers don't do anything. They spend all day going in circles and where are they now," a woman at the ceremony complained to reporters. "... People are tired of this Juárez."

A family member told reporters the wedding took place in Juárez because that is where the bride wanted it . . .

poor choice, girl.

Vt. farmer draws a line at US bid to bolster border
Homeland Security threatens to seize 4.9 acres

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FRANKLIN, Vt. — The red brick house sits unassumingly on a sleepy back road where the lush farmlands of northern Vermont roll quietly into Canada. This is the Morses Line border crossing, a point of entry into the United States where more than three cars an hour constitute heavy traffic.

It intends to acquire 4.9 acres of border land on a dairy farm owned for three generations by the Rainville family. Last month, the Rainvilles learned that if they refuse to sell the land for $39,500, the government intends to seize it by eminent domain.

The Rainvilles call this an unjustified land-grab by federal bullies.

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Clement Rainville (right) and his family at Morses Line, part of Franklin, Vt. They say they need to keep the land to grow hay for their farm’s dairy herd. Clement Rainville (right) and his family at Morses Line, part of Franklin, Vt. They say they need to keep the land to grow hay for their farm’s dairy herd. (Herb Swanson for The Boston Globe)
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FRANKLIN, Vt. — The red brick house sits unassumingly on a sleepy back road where the lush farmlands of northern Vermont roll quietly into Canada. This is the Morses Line border crossing, a point of entry into the United States where more than three cars an hour constitute heavy traffic.
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The bucolic setting of silos and sugar maples has become the focus of a bitter dispute that pits one of America’s most revered traditions — the family-owned farm — against the post-9/11 reality of terror attacks on US soil.

The Department of Homeland Security sees Morses Line as a weak link in the nation’s borders, attractive to terrorists trying to smuggle in lethal materials. The government is planning an estimated $8 million renovation here as part of a nationwide effort to secure border crossings.

It intends to acquire 4.9 acres of border land on a dairy farm owned for three generations by the Rainville family. Last month, the Rainvilles learned that if they refuse to sell the land for $39,500, the government intends to seize it by eminent domain.

The Rainvilles call this an unjustified land-grab by federal bullies.

“They are trying to steamroll us,’’ said Brian Rainville, 36, a high school government and civics teacher whose grandfather bought the farm in 1946 and whose parents and two brothers run it now. “We have a buyer holding a gun to our head saying you have to sell or else.’’

The Rainvilles say the land, where they grow a portion of the feed for 150 head of cattle, is worth far more than the offer, and is critical at a time when the low price of milk has dairy farmers struggling to cover the cost of production.

“It’s like taking a leg off a stool. If you reduce the hay, you reduce the herd; if you reduce the herd, you immediately affect the viability of the farm,’’ Brian Rainville said. “Last year, the farm lost money. Right now, we are hanging on by our fingernails.’’

The family’s many supporters in the area do not dispute that the Morses Line facility, some 50 miles southeast of Montreal, is outdated. But they do not understand why the government needs to spend millions on it.

“The whole thing is a perfect example of waste,’’ said Glen Gurwit of Swanton, a customs inspector for 31 years who frequently worked at Morses Line before retiring in 2004.

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Instead of dealing with the issue in AZ where MANY of illegal aliens come thru, they decide to pick off this little farm in the middle-of-nowhere VT.
What does the Dept of Homeland Security know about this place that the public doesn't? This makes no sense.

well, we don't know the gov'ts reasoning (if they have any), but they certainly have the power to take the land for the public good, if they deem it so. The landowners can dispute the valuation, because the Constitution requires just compensation, but if the Feds want it, they can take it.

I'm not sure you are correct that Arizona is the location where the "vast majority" of illegal aliens come through. Not sure you're wrong, either, but I think California, New Mexico, and Texas have a good share, too.

Thanks Cloud - I edited my post.
I cannot find any corroboration in a quick search, but I vaguely remember reading that the number coming thru AZ has increased because of additional security on the CA border. TX . . . <shrug> Just don't know.

This is a positive move but we really need the other border states to do what Arizona has done.

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North Carolina now becomes the 18th state that ALIPAC has documented moving forward with a version of Arizona's controversial, yet popular immigration law. Numerous scientific and certified polls indicate 60-81% public support for local police enforcing immigration law as the Arizona bill does.

http://www.alipac.us/

What about California? Will it s

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 658497)

scientific and certified polls...

I have to laugh at this. It's like naming a place "The Sanitary Fish Market."

California is too far gone, better to just s

Maybe Calif will slip into the ocean, problem gone!